Tim Tebow - Let's Talk

Sandman62 · Post by **Sandman62** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:17 am

My bad Tom. Yes, you did list the teams who were top 15 in BOTH offense and defense. But I'd guess you didn't use fantasy points against or split defense into passing or rushing, as I did, correct? IOW, as long as the defense is either terrible all-around or terrible at either pass or run AND terrible on offense, then any team including the Broncos should be able to take advantage.

I won't be surprised if he scores well for NFFC this week, given the record-setting ineptitude of the Pats passing D.

CoMoHusker · Post by **CoMoHusker** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:37 am

Originally posted by Old School:
quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
For those starting Tebow this week, what are your projections against the Patriots?

I keep coming up with 250 yards passing, 2 TDs and 45-50 yards rushing. But I really think that could be conservative. It's not like the Patriots have been gashed only by elite QBs. They've been torn apart by nearly everyone. They give up a lot of big plays downfield and you know Tebow will take plenty of shots as he always does. The Patriots are so bad in the secondary it's not a reach to see him connecting with Thomas and/or Decker for TD bombs and maybe Rod Smith too.

I tend to be conservative when it comes to projecting how my players will do (helps prevent any major letdowns

) but I really think he has Top 5 potential this week. The matchup is insanely good. Well, u know how I feel tom and I am starting him in a couple championships this weekend.

Also, I'd like to nominate my least favorite player who is Brandon Lloyd. He basically quit because he didnt want to play for losers and for Tebow. So how does it feel, Brandon, to be on the worst team in football trying to catch passes from a far more inaccurate passer in Bradford, while youre old team heads for the playoffs? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]What criteria is being used to determine how accurate of a passer Tebow is when compared to Bradford? The obvious one should be completion percentage, in which Tebow ranks dead last in the NFL.

It also should be pointed out that Bradford is far from healthy which I'm sure impacts his accuracy.

BLACKHAND · Post by **BLACKHAND** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:46 am

i'm not a "hater".hate is a strong word. but if you lined up all the GM'S in the nfl and asked whom they would take between tebow and bradford i think bradford wins by a landslide.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:47 am

Originally posted by THE_BLACKHAND:
i'm not a "hater".hate is a strong word. but if you lined up all the GM'S in the nfl and asked whom they would take between tebow and bradford i think bradford wins by a landslide. Agreed. I like Bradford a lot. Just been a disaster of a season for him but I think he has star talent. Rams need to improve their offensive line and give him more weapons to work with in the passing game besides Lloyd.

Old School · Post by **Old School** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:48 am

Originally posted by CoMoHusker:
quote:Originally posted by Old School:
quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
For those starting Tebow this week, what are your projections against the Patriots?

I keep coming up with 250 yards passing, 2 TDs and 45-50 yards rushing. But I really think that could be conservative. It's not like the Patriots have been gashed only by elite QBs. They've been torn apart by nearly everyone. They give up a lot of big plays downfield and you know Tebow will take plenty of shots as he always does. The Patriots are so bad in the secondary it's not a reach to see him connecting with Thomas and/or Decker for TD bombs and maybe Rod Smith too.

I tend to be conservative when it comes to projecting how my players will do (helps prevent any major letdowns

) but I really think he has Top 5 potential this week. The matchup is insanely good. Well, u know how I feel tom and I am starting him in a couple championships this weekend.

Also, I'd like to nominate my least favorite player who is Brandon Lloyd. He basically quit because he didnt want to play for losers and for Tebow. So how does it feel, Brandon, to be on the worst team in football trying to catch passes from a far more inaccurate passer in Bradford, while youre old team heads for the playoffs? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]What criteria is being used to determine how accurate of a passer Tebow is when compared to Bradford? The obvious one should be completion percentage, in which Tebow ranks dead last in the NFL.

It also should be pointed out that Bradford is far from healthy which I'm sure impacts his accuracy. [/QUOTE]Sam Bradford last night 41%

no dropped passes that i saw

Tim Tebow on sunday 52% WITH AT LEAST 6 perfectly thrown dropped passes which puts him at least 65% if they catch those.

BLACKHAND · Post by **BLACKHAND** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:55 am

tebow also has a very good defense that sets him up to do well. rams defense stinks. bradford is playing hurt and his wr 's and o line is a mess. bradford over tebow by a knockout in the 2nd round.

Old School · Post by **Old School** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:05 am

Originally posted by THE_BLACKHAND:
tebow also has a very good defense that sets him up to do well. rams defense stinks. bradford is playing hurt and his wr 's and o line is a mess. bradford over tebow by a knockout in the 2nd round. good. then u draft Bradford and roll with him then and I'll draft Tebow. We'll see how that ends . Funny how u make excuses for Bradford, like Tebow has any talent around him on offense.In case you didnt notice, Tebow' s line sucks too. He
(unlike Bradford) has the ability to avoid sacks.

And no one knocks out Tebow....

CoMoHusker · Post by **CoMoHusker** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:09 am

Originally posted by Old School:
quote:Originally posted by CoMoHusker:
quote:Originally posted by Old School:
quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
For those starting Tebow this week, what are your projections against the Patriots?

I keep coming up with 250 yards passing, 2 TDs and 45-50 yards rushing. But I really think that could be conservative. It's not like the Patriots have been gashed only by elite QBs. They've been torn apart by nearly everyone. They give up a lot of big plays downfield and you know Tebow will take plenty of shots as he always does. The Patriots are so bad in the secondary it's not a reach to see him connecting with Thomas and/or Decker for TD bombs and maybe Rod Smith too.

I tend to be conservative when it comes to projecting how my players will do (helps prevent any major letdowns

) but I really think he has Top 5 potential this week. The matchup is insanely good. Well, u know how I feel tom and I am starting him in a couple championships this weekend.

Also, I'd like to nominate my least favorite player who is Brandon Lloyd. He basically quit because he didnt want to play for losers and for Tebow. So how does it feel, Brandon, to be on the worst team in football trying to catch passes from a far more inaccurate passer in Bradford, while youre old team heads for the playoffs? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]What criteria is being used to determine how accurate of a passer Tebow is when compared to Bradford? The obvious one should be completion percentage, in which Tebow ranks dead last in the NFL.

It also should be pointed out that Bradford is far from healthy which I'm sure impacts his accuracy. [/QUOTE]Sam Bradford last night 41%

no dropped passes that i saw

Tim Tebow on sunday 52% WITH AT LEAST 6 perfectly thrown dropped passes which puts him at least 65% if they catch those. [/QUOTE]So, a one game sample The completion numbers I provided were for the year.

Also, out of Tebow's 19 incompletions on Sunday how many were bad throws where the receiver didn't even have a chance to catch the ball? My point being, that it's a two way street.

I've never seen dropped passes talked about so much with any other QB. Receivers drop passes every week but for whatever reason they are magnified when it comes to justifying Tebow's performance. I guess that's needed for a guy completing 48% of his passes.

Statistics would indicate that he should perform much better in the passing game this week. The Patriots have made pretty much every QB fantasy relevant against them this year and only has that hurt them a couple times. Having guys like Brady, Welker, and Gronk on the other side of the ball sure help. I've picked the Broncos to win five out of six weeks now so I have been routing for them. The games have mostly been difficult to watch up until the fourth quarter but the result has been great. I think that the Bronco D will have to hold the Patriots to 24 points or less to have a shot this week. I haven't ruled out picking them yet but it will be tough.

DoubleG · Post by **DoubleG** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:09 am

Originally posted by Sandman62:
My bad Tom. Yes, you did list the teams who were top 15 in BOTH offense and defense. But I'd guess you didn't use fantasy points against or split defense into passing or rushing, as I did, correct? IOW, as long as the defense is either terrible all-around or terrible at either pass or run AND terrible on offense, then any team including the Broncos should be able to take advantage.

I won't be surprised if he scores well for NFFC this week, given the record-setting ineptitude of the Pats passing D. sandman - whether tebow has been playing against good defenses in your opinion is kinda moot. he plays against whatever teams are on the broncos schedule.

it's obvious you have a bias against tebow (just a guess, but did you miss on tebow in most of your leagues?).

BLACKHAND · Post by **BLACKHAND** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:15 am

i dont want either one but you sure take this hard. lol. take a chill pill man. its only football.

down goes tebow