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GOD Loves You
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Post by GOD Loves You » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:35 pm

Slip or truth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIXRt57tM3Q


I wish I could find the speech Obama gave to a group of Pastors and Priests at a conference a year or so ago....what it boiled down to is Obama doesn't have a clue about Christianity. And that is fine, but don't claim to be a Christian when a lot of things you say and stand for are directly opposed to the teachings you have "faith" in. I know man isn't perfect, but to a lot of people, Obama walks on water.

I found part of it, but I used to have the entire mp3.....I wish I could find the speech in it's entirety.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn-P3yAa ... re=related

A person with true Christian Faith wouldn't make remarks like this. It blew my mind the first time I heard him giving this speech. Leviticus and Deuteronomy are from the Old Testament. The old way. Christianity was the new way. I already referenced John 8 in another thread, but it's a perfect example of old law vs. new. With the old law, kill the adultress, with the new law..Christianity(I actually dislike this term) forgiveness, not stoning.

How many Christians are going to run an ad about the opponent taking away the right for women to kill the unborn? I've heard this ad from Obama numerous times.

So many things show me this guy is a socialist.

And don't get me started on McCain and people of his ilk.

A few of you older guys might know of Larry Norman, he was a Christian rocker from the 70's.....sorta a Christian hippie. I love the quote from one of his songs.

well i wonder who would lead us, if none of us would vote

Take a minute and read the lyrics, you can even listen as you read....this was written in 1973.

http://thatdudeyouknow.wordpress.com/20 ... cal-songs/

He has some of the most honest lyrics one can hear in a song.

What would happen if no one voted for the President? It sucks to have to pick the lesser of two evils, which is what we do in most elections.
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Post by ultimatefs » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:27 pm

Originally posted by SNAKE:
...SNAKE will document this downfall very cautiously here but what a tumble it has been fellow comrades - from PrimoDonna to PropogandaPrimo in just a matter of weeks...tsk, tsk, tsk...SNAKE Rather be able to downfall like Rich then to not be able to sink any further.

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Post by Yoda's S*x Slave » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:29 am

to the outer realms
you must move
HE LIKES TO USE THE FORCE

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Post by richieprimo » Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:06 am

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:
quote:Originally posted by Old School:
quote:Originally posted by Primo:
GG, speaking of business as usual...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4

good stuff!


excellent! truth is hard to take , huh snake? Did Fox News make this video? :D

[/QUOTE]No, it wasn't Fox News...maybe it was Michael Moore? Looks like his style of handywork. :rolleyes:
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Post by richieprimo » Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:25 am

Originally posted by SNAKE:
...SNAKE will document this downfall very cautiously here but what a tumble it has been fellow comrades - from PrimoDonna to PropogandaPrimo in just a matter of weeks...tsk, tsk, tsk...SNAKE Everyone is preaching about "change" and in 2 to 4 years from now, everyone will be crying for A change. Joe Biden...what a change ya got there.

Did anyone happen to hear the Howard Stern interviews with the voters? Were you one of those people, Snake?

Go watch another Michael Moore "movie" and getcha popcawn ready.
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Post by TOMDOG » Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:37 am

http://www.palinaspresident.us/

Here is the change the conservative movement wants.Be sure to click on all the doors and windows.
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Post by D-Day Heroes » Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:54 am

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THIS IS WHERE YOUR MONEY IS GOING, WE SPENT 1/10 ( THATS IN TODAYS MONEY ) OF THIS TO CONQUER EUROPE IN WW2, DOSE ANYONE SEE A PROBLEM WITH THIS ?

Current Military
$965 billion:
• Military Personnel $129 billion
• Operation & Maint. $241 billion
• Procurement $143 billion
• Research & Dev. $79 billion
• Construction $15 billion
• Family Housing $3 billion
• DoD misc. $4 billion
• Retired Pay $70 billion
• DoE nuclear weapons $17 billion
• NASA (50%) $9 billion
• International Security $9 billion
• Homeland Secur. (military) $35 billion
• State Dept. (partial) $6 billion
• other military (non-DoD) $5 billion
• “Global War on Terror” $200 billion [We added $162 billion to the last item to supplement the Budget’s grossly underestimated $38 billion in “allowances” to be spent in 2009 for the “War on Terror,” which includes the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan]

Past Military,
$484 billion:
• Veterans’ Benefits $94 billion
• Interest on national debt (80%) created by military spending, $390 billion

Human Resources
$789 billion:
• Health/Human Services
• Soc. Sec. Administration
• Education Dept.
• Food/Nutrition programs
• Housing & Urban Dev.
• Labor Dept.
• other human resources.

General Government
$304 billion:
• Interest on debt (20%)
• Treasury
• Government personnel
• Justice Dept.
• State Dept.
• Homeland Security (15%)
• International Affairs
• NASA (50%)
• Judicial
• Legislative
• other general govt.

Physical Resources
$117 billion:
• Agriculture
• Interior
• Transportation
• Homeland Security (15%)
• HUD
• Commerce
• Energy (non-military)
• Environmental Protection
• Nat. Science Fdtn.
• Army Corps Engineers
� Fed. Comm. Commission
• other physical resources

Total Outlays (Federal Funds): $2,650 billion
MILITARY: 54% and $1,449 billion
NON-MILITARY: 46% and $1,210 billion


HOW THESE FIGURES WERE DETERMINED

urrent military” includes Dept. of Defense ($653 billion), the military portion from other departments ($150 billion), and an additional $162 billion to supplement the Budget’s misleading and vast underestimate of only $38 billion for the “war on terror.” “Past military” represents veterans’ benefits plus 80% of the interest on the debt.*

The Government Deception

The pie chart below is the government view of the budget. This is a distortion of how our income tax dollars are spent because it includes Trust Funds (e.g., Social Security), and the expenses of past military spending are not distinguished from nonmilitary spending. For a more accurate representation of how your Federal income tax dollar is really spent, see the large chart (top).



Source: Congressional Budget Office for FY2008

These figures are from an analysis of detailed tables in the “Analytical Perspectives” book of the Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2009. The figures are federal funds, which do not include trust funds — such as Social Security — that are raised and spent separately from income taxes. What you pay (or don’t pay) by April 15, 2008, goes to the federal funds portion of the budget. The government practice of combining trust and federal funds began during the Vietnam War, thus making the human needs portion of the budget seem larger and the military portion smaller.

*Analysts differ on how much of the debt stems from the military; other groups estimate 50% to 60%. We use 80% because we believe if there had been no military spending most (if not all) of the national debt would have been eliminated. For further explanation, please see box at bottom of page.

Are We Safe Yet?


Cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars
(billions of dollars)


source: For 2001 to 2008 from Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, armscontrolcenter.org; for 2009, the Budget includes $70 billion in “allowances” for GWOT; WRL estimates an additional $130 billion will be authorized for spending in 2009 and subsequent years, making the total authorized $200 billion. This graph shows Budget Authority, while the pie on the front is Outlays.
U.S. Military Spending vs. The World

U.S. military spending – Dept. of Defense plus nuclear weapons (in $billions) – is equal to the military spending of the next 15 countries combined.

These numbers show military expenditures for each country. Some say that U.S. military spending will naturally be higher because it has the highest Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of any country. The United States accounts for 47 percent of the world’s total military spending, however the U.S.’s share of the world's GDP is about 21 percent. Also note that of the top 15 countries shown, at least 12 are considered allies of the U.S. The U.S. outspends Iran and North Korea by a ratio of 72 to one.

Source: Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, http://old.armscontrolcenter.org/archives/002279.php; our graph uses a more comparable figure of $515 from actual 2006 U.S. military spending


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Post by Old School » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:36 am

I know this is a long post, but I had to share it with some people...(spoiler warning...Snake will NOT like it).


Dear Mr. Obama,

It is August 30, 2008. My name is Mark Gregg. I am a 50 something conservative white male. I have followed your campaign closely, including the speeches you and others made at the democratic national convention. I am respectfully providing you with seven simple (probably shallow) reasons why I could never vote for you. I believe my opinion is shared by many people. While there may not be quite enough t o prevent you from becoming president of this nation, I do think there is an awakening to the fact that you are not a (the) messiah that the media and liberal Hollywood entertainers are trying to portray you.
I hear your mantra of change, change, change. Yet, you picked a long term, liberal, Washington insider (Joe Biden) to be your running mate. This is NOT change. It is a move that hypocritically refutes the very thing you supposedly stand for. Your campaign then slammed McCain for picking Sarah Palin, apparently, because she is NOT a Washington insider. She is a maverick who cleaned-up Alaska 's quagmire of political scandals. Which way is it, Barack? Is it okay for you to pick a Washington insider under the mantra of 'change', but not okay for John McCain to pick a smart, aggressive, reformer?

You have the single most liberal voting record in the senate. This indicates to me and others like me that you may very well be an angry black man seeking to punish our country for sins of a different generation. I am not racist. I have some biases just like you and every other human alive. Unlike the democratic party who claims to be for the minority (but their record heavily refutes this), I will give any person who truly needs help, help. I married a 'minority' girl 35 years ago (she is Hispanic) and have seen the evils of prejudice first hand. However, I have also seen my wife and my children and others in her family throw off the veil of self imposed prejudicial bondage and move ahead. They love our country and do not view themselves any different than I view myself as a citizen of this country. Your lovely wife s o disappointed people like me during this campaign when she stated it was the first time she had ever been proud of this country. She apparently never noticed the massive aid we give dozens of other countries. She apparently never noticed the sacrifice of literally millions of veterans who helped make this country a free nation and helped liberate other nations from brutal dictators such as Adolf ******. She apparently does not remember that she attended ivy league universities with scholarship money that ultimately (at least some of it) was paid for by our taxes. This troubles me more than you know. She is an angry black woman who appears to not like her country very much. I don't want her representing me to the rest of the world.

You claim Christianity but apparently do not realize that the Bible teaches that he who does not work, does not eat. The Bible does not say or even suggest that he who CANNOT work, should not eat. Yet, your liberal policies reward people who are capable of working, but choose to not do so. This bothers me. I know that if you are elected our taxes will spiral upwards. You should heed the words of Winston Churchill: 'We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.' If I like anything a bout you, it is your campaign promise to balance the federal budget. Unfortunately, we have heard this a huge number of times from a number of different politicians and we realize that when you energize the very liberal Nancy Pelosi, Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy, etc, etc, and the many other democrats like them, a balanced budget will never, ever happen on your watch.

During your question and answer session with Rick Warren of Saddleback Church your answer concerning the question of where does life begin, stunned me: 'Above your pay grade?' Does this mean when something bad happens as President of this nation that you are going to look at your salary to determine if you can respond? I am sorry, but this was the most serious gaffe I have seen you make. Frankly, it shows me that you are pandering in the most obvious manner. You will choose your words not from your heart, but from an agenda that I believe is still hidden from the American people.

If anything stands out about you it is probably your appeasement mentality. In this era of rampant, radical Islamic extremism and with the latest stunt pulled by the re-energized Russian government, I am not sure appeasement is healthy. I again revert to the words of Winston Churchill: 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.'

You and your party tacitly believe that a 13 or 14 year old girl must have the parents approval to have the school nurse provide them with a Tylenol when they have a headache at school. Yet, this same girl can become pregnant and the school can skirt her off to a clinic and abort the child in her body without the parents knowing or being notified. This scares the hell out of me. You have two little girls. Would you be upset if this happened to them and you were not informed? Then why do you stand for this? It makes no sense to me.

My seventh and final point (for now) is your supporters. I have watched the Hollywood entertainers that support you, systematically embrace Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and others like him. I see the continuous smut and garbage produced by Hollywood , the very people who promote you the most vigorously. It is not a positive point to me and others like me to see these over-paid, bizarre, poor examples of human existence fawn over you and push you and your liberal agenda as hard as they do. The way that I see it; When the devil is for you, we should question whether or not we shou ld be against you.

In closing, I just want you to know that you scare me. I cannot vote for you. It is not because of your skin color. It is because these items and many, many others like them. Do not claim that my dislike for you is race based. It is because I do not feel you have the best interests of this nation at heart.

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Thank you Primo...my favorite post of all time,especially with a nation so divided (and message board)

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Post by richieprimo » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:42 am

Here's a good story for you, Old School, written by our kind of guy...


Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read 'Vote Obama, I need the money.' I laughed. Once in the restaurant my server had on a 'Obama 08' tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

OR IS IT.........REDISTRIBUTION OF SOMEONE ELSE'S WEALTH IS A GREAT IDEA..............or just a fools game !!
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