NFL Network's A Football Life: Kurt Warner

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NFL Network's A Football Life: Kurt Warner

Post by Greg Ambrosius » Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:26 am

Kudos to the NFL Network for their new sports documentary series "A Football Life." I enjoyed the two-part Bill Belichick series and the Reggie White-Jerome Brown piece had me learning more than I expected and it also had me in tears at the end. That piece should win some awards, it was that good.

Last night the series continued with "A Football Life: Kurt Warner." It was a good look at the most improbable of NFL careers, from a guy who was stocking shelves at a grocery store to becoming the NFL and Super Bowl MVP a few years later. Warner's story is truly remarkable and his career is truly amazing. The fact that he's also raised seven children in the process and lived an open Christian life that has inspired millions of people adds to the story line.

I liked it and recommend that you see it if you have time.

But I also have to comment on Warner's career. There is so much talk about him being a future Hall of Famer and in some ways I thought the same thing until I really analyzed his career. When you look at his timeline, you see a guy who got his first NFL action in 1999 and won the league and Super Bowl MVP award. He then had a tough 2000 season before rebounding in 2001 and leading the Rams back to the Super Bowl.

But after an injury-riddled 2002 campaign, Warner was replaced by Marc Bulger and eventually moved to New York in 2004, where he started the first half of the season before giving way to Eli Manning. He then went to Arizona in 2005 to mentor Matt Leinart before finally taking over the starting job in 2007. He was fantastic down the stretch that year and then led the Cardinals to the Super Bowl in 2008 where they lost in dramatic fashion to the Steelers. Warner was marvelous in that game and he was stellar in 2009 as well, leading the Cardinals past the Packers in the wild card game when he had almost the perfect game, finishing with more touchdown passes than incompletions. He took a beating in the second round loss to New Orleans and announced his retirement shortly after that.

His career was amazing, but was it Hall of Fame caliber? Can a QB who started 16 games in only three seasons really be in the Hall of Fame? Can a QB who played in only 10 or more games in eight seasons really be in the Hall of Fame?

I guess so, but in this pass-happy sport his final numbers are going to be dwarfed in a hurry. He finished with 208 career TD passes, which currently ranks 27th, tied with Kerry Collins. Today's QBs will surpass that number easily. He did finish with 32,344 passing yards, a 65.5 percent completion mark and a QB Rating of 93.7. All are solid. However, he also threw 128 interceptions and took 260 sacks for a loss of 1,669 yards.

There's no doubt that when healthy he was one of the best QBs of all-time, a player who led three teams to the Super Bowl. He has the Super Bowl title, the MVPs and the story. I'm just wondering if it's enough to be in the HOF.

Here's his career stats:
Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
2009 Arizona Cardinals 15 513 339 66.1 34.2 3,753 7.3 250.2 26 5.1 14 2.7 45 42 3 24 172 93.2
2008 Arizona Cardinals 16 598 401 67.1 37.4 4,583 7.7 286.4 30 5.0 14 2.3 79T 50 12 26 182 96.9
2007 Arizona Cardinals 14 451 281 62.3 32.2 3,417 7.6 244.1 27 6.0 17 3.8 62 44 5 20 140 89.8
2006 Arizona Cardinals 6 168 108 64.3 28.0 1,377 8.2 229.5 6 3.6 5 3.0 64 15 5 14 104 89.3
2005 Arizona Cardinals 10 375 242 64.5 37.5 2,713 7.2 271.3 11 2.9 9 2.4 63 37 4 23 158 85.8
2004 New York Giants 10 277 174 62.8 27.7 2,054 7.4 205.4 6 2.2 4 1.4 62T 24 6 39 196 86.5
2003 St. Louis Rams 2 65 38 58.5 32.5 365 5.6 182.5 1 1.5 1 1.5 37T 3 0 6 38 72.9
2002 St. Louis Rams 7 220 144 65.5 31.4 1,431 6.5 204.4 3 1.4 11 5.0 43 15 1 21 130 67.4
2001 St. Louis Rams 16 546 375 68.7 34.1 4,830 8.8 301.9 36 6.6 22 4.0 65T 81 11 38 233 101.4
2000 St. Louis Rams 11 347 235 67.7 31.5 3,429 9.9 311.7 21 6.1 18 5.2 85T 49 14 20 115 98.3
1999 St. Louis Rams 16 499 325 65.1 31.2 4,353 8.7 272.1 41 8.2 13 2.6 75T 60 16 29 201 109.2
1998 St. Louis Rams 1 11 4 36.4 11.0 39 3.5 39.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 21 1 0 0 0 47.2
TOTAL 124 4,070 2,666 65.5 32.8 32,344 7.9 260.8 208 5.1 128 3.1 85 421 77 260 1,669 93.7

I'm just starting a fun argument on a Friday morning. Any thoughts either way from the peanut gallery? :D Either way, check out the piece on the NFL Network and let me know what you think. And then add some points about Warner and his HOF chances. Thanks.
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NFL Network's A Football Life: Kurt Warner

Post by Greg Ambrosius » Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:32 am

I know it's hard to read the year-by-year stats, but his TD-INT ratios were:
1999: 41 TDs/13 INTs, 4,353 yards
2000: 21/18/3,429
2001: 36/22/4,830
2002: 3/11/1,431
2003: 1/1/365
2004: 6/4/2,054
2005: 11/9/2,713
2006: 6/5/1,377
2007: 27/17/3,417
2008: 30/14/4,583
2009: 26/14/3,753

For me, Hall of Fame QBs don't have stretches like Warner had from 2002-06. That's five years of 27 TD passes and 30 INTs. You're looking at three solid years in Arizona and two MVP seasons in St. Louis. There's no denying that he was one of the most courageous QBs in NFL history, but I'm not sure the whole body of work stacks up to some of the other greats. Thoughts?
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NFL Network's A Football Life: Kurt Warner

Post by mattjb » Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:10 am

Coming from England I remember watching him in NFL Europe back in 1998 for the Amsterdam Admirals. I think his story is worthy of the hall of fame if not perhaps his career.

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Post by Ry's Guys » Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:01 am

I'm gonna watch it tonight. Got it setup in the DVR. Last week my wife came downstairs near the end of the Jerome Brown/Reggie White episode and asked me who died. I guess my eyes were a little red.

As far as Warner in the HOF. At work after Warner retired we argued about him being a HOFer. I took the side of yes I really think so. I wasn't 100% but said I had to study the numbers. Then I looked at the numbers and I wasn't really that sure. Then I looked further.

He played on, check that, he ran an offense that changed the game forever.

He passed the eye test. He took the Lambs to the Super Bowl!!! He gave them their first and only Super Bowl Championship. He took the Arizona Cardinals to their one and only Super Bowl.
These two franchises where BAD! Historically BAD!

He owns the three highest single-game passing yardage totals in Super Bowl history.

His career was strange and he didn't play in a lot of games for the years he played but he threw for 300 yards in 42% of those games. The highest ever!
He amassed 10,000 yards passing faster than anyone. EVER!
He tied Dan Marino for fastest to 30,000 yards. (114 games)
Tied for most touchdowns in a postseason 11
Most yards in a postseason 1,147.

He was money when it counted the most...
13 career postseason games he was 9-4. He averaged 304 yards per game! Highest ever!
He had six 300 yard games (out of 13) in the postseason. Peyton Manning, considered one of the greatest QB's ever has 8, in 19 games! He's second tied with arguably the most clutch player ever Joe Montana. He had the same winning pct. as Joe Montana in the playoffs! More than Favre, Elway, Brady...you name it he's got more.

And all those records you hear about this year being broken by Brady for fastest to x amount of yards in three weeks, four weeks. Yeah those were his. And after Brady's 226 yards last week he probably won't get Warner's first 5 weeks. Look at his 2000 season before he got injured! WOW!

So yeah I think he should get a bust in Canton, even with those very bad years mixed in the middle.

[ October 07, 2011, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: Bullgod ]
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NFL Network's A Football Life: Kurt Warner

Post by NorCalAtlFan » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:44 am

The NFL network has done a great job with all 3. I forgot how good those Philly D's were. Too bad old man Ryan couldn't headcoach worth a sh*t. I digress, the Warner one was great. Great story. Hall of Fame? Sure. He has some strong numbers, and the hardware. And most importantly, the NFL hall of fame is watered down as it is. Hell, with Namath being in, it would be a crime if Warner wasn't a first ballot guy.
I don't know how many more of these the NFL network is doing, but I'm looking forward to the one on Payton. Should be exceptional.

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NFL Network's A Football Life: Kurt Warner

Post by Route Collectors » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:46 am

Originally posted by Bullgod:
I'm gonna watch it tonight. Got it setup in the DVR. Last week my wife came downstairs near the end of the Jerome Brown/Reggie White episode and asked me who died. I guess my eyes were a little red.

As far as Warner in the HOF. At work after Warner retired we argued about him being a HOFer. I took the side of yes I really think so. I wasn't 100% but said I had to study the numbers. Then I looked at the numbers and I wasn't really that sure. Then I looked further.

He played on, check that, he ran an offense that changed the game forever.

He passed the eye test. He took the Lambs to the Super Bowl!!! He gave them their first and only Super Bowl Championship. He took the Arizona Cardinals to their one and only Super Bowl.
These two franchises where BAD! Historically BAD!

He owns the three highest single-game passing yardage totals in Super Bowl history.

His career was strange and he didn't play in a lot of games for the years he played but he threw for 300 yards in 42% of those games. The highest ever!
He amassed 10,000 yards passing faster than anyone. EVER!
He tied Dan Marino for fastest to 30,000 yards. (114 games)
Tied for most touchdowns in a postseason 11
Most yards in a postseason 1,147.

He was money when it counted the most...
13 career postseason games he was 9-4. He averaged 304 yards per game! Highest ever!
He had six 300 yard games (out of 13) in the postseason. Peyton Manning, considered one of the greatest QB's ever has 8, in 19 games! He's second tied with arguably the most clutch player ever Joe Montana. He had the same winning pct. as Joe Montana in the playoffs! More than Favre, Elway, Brady...you name it he's got more.

And all those records you hear about this year being broken by Brady for fastest to x amount of yards in three weeks, four weeks. Yeah those were his. And after Brady's 226 yards last week he probably won't get Warner's first 5 weeks. Look at his 2000 season before he got injured! WOW!

So yeah I think he should get a bust in Canton, even with those very bad years mixed in the middle. Nice post. You covered a lot here. The one intangible that I can add is one Greg mentioned...the way the guy lived his life. Like Reggie White and others before him..... just a great example of being a decent human being amid all the bright lights and fortune that come with stardom.
Seven kids...wow..that's funny farm territory for me and I love kids :D
I'll bet 20 years from now guys will be sitting around their favorite sports bar talking about the "old days" and Warners name will come up in plenty of conversations.
Definately a HOFer in my book.

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