3RR, Socialized Fantasy Medicine?

Leroy's Aces · Post by **Leroy's Aces** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:23 am

You may be right, lol. That is assuming they were first on the scene using 12 team leagues. Not because 12 team leagues are better, but because 12 team leagues are what the majority of high stakes fantasy customers are used to when playing locally.

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King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:57 am

Originally posted by Leroy's Aces:
WCOFF may have average customer service, but they do offer some freebies(In my best Jim Mora voice)

What's that? Freebies?!? Don't talk about freebies. You kidding me? Freebies?!?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:10 am

There has been a lot of talk about perception and reality on this thread. Here's what I honestly (thanks, renman) believe:

3RR and/or some other method of leveling the playing field is necessary in events such as the NFFC. If owners with early draft slots continue to hold a big advantage over the next couple of years, people who continually (though randomly) secure later picks will begin to lose interest in fantasy football. Perception is a very important aspect of this discussion -- if people perceive that by having a 12th or 14th pick they are at a disadvantage, why bother playing?

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:17 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by Leroy's Aces:
WCOFF may have average customer service, but they do offer some freebies(In my best Jim Mora voice)

What's that? Freebies?!? Don't talk about freebies. You kidding me? Freebies?!? [/QUOTE]freebies? sure King ! like 2 free agent acquisition periods for the price of one ! Each participant also receives (their choice!) 1 disappearing poll or 1 disappearing thread

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Leroy's Aces · Post by **Leroy's Aces** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:25 am

Originally posted by :
Sorry, I am biased. I won $5000 in the 2006 HOF league from a free entry. They also give out free jerseys, signed helmets, etc. Many of the same things Greg does.

They also charge for a lot of stuff. Most stuff, in fact. The ESPN party is pretty cool. Is it worth it? You are in Vegas and have the #1 sports bar on the strip shut down on a Saturday night for YOUR party. Is it worth it to spend $35 to work out at Canyon Ranch Spa in Vegas? No, but you are in Vegas. Is $30 for a buffet worth it? No, but you in Vegas. Things like rooms, and convention halls, in Las Vegas cost money, often a lot of money. I am glad they charge for this stuff. If they make money that is fine with me. For the effort of putting on the events, I would hope both Greg and Lenny make money. Good for them.

Back to 3RR, I really do like the idea, personally.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:30 am

Leroy, do you think that WCOFF participants in Atlantic City should pay the same "events fee" as those in Las Vegas?

RiFF · Post by **RiFF** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:00 am

Originally posted by Team Legacy:
[, I would think that adding the 29th player instead of the 42nd, will narrow the gap, not give an edge to the later picks. It still comes down to nailing picks, but at least after the first couple rounds of drafting, the teams won't be as lopsided as they have been statistically the past few years.

It would be difficult to argue that trading pick 42 for pick 29 doesn't make draft slot 14 stronger. BUT, 3RR doesn't stop there. Slot 14 also trades pick 43, which still has a nice selection of WR's and RB's available , for pick 56; which, imo, negates much of the advantage gained in the 29/42 swap. To paraphrase what another poster said in another thread; in the 3rd round, with 3RR, slot 14 may not get a materially better player but he can choose which player that will be instead of having to "settle" for a player. And, vice versa for slot 1. But again, imo, that flexibilty in round 3 comes at a cost; having to swap pick 43 for pick 56. I have come to the conclusion that I strongly favor 3RR. This is because I now believe 3RR will marginally improve my chances for an early draft slot, IF the sentiments being posted for 3RR are accurate regarding the new found appreciation for late draft slots. Having said that I shouldn't be voicing any negative concerns I have with the late draft slots in 3RR; but I also favor Full Disclosure.

RiFF · Post by **RiFF** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:07 am

Originally posted by Team Legacy:
[/qb]Nothing wrong with striving to give everyone more equal opportunity. What someone DOES with that opportunity is up to them. That's the American dream. Now, if you were to suggest that after someone makes a bad draft pick, that they get a "redo" in week 2, THAT would be socialism, not this. [/QB][/quote]

Attempting to distribute equally to everyone through a central source is an apt description of socialism. Getting a redo for a bad draft pick in week two is an apt description for YMCA Pee Wee Baseball.

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:18 am

Originally posted by RiFF:
quote:Originally posted by Team Legacy:
[, I would think that adding the 29th player instead of the 42nd, will narrow the gap, not give an edge to the later picks. It still comes down to nailing picks, but at least after the first couple rounds of drafting, the teams won't be as lopsided as they have been statistically the past few years.

It would be difficult to argue that trading pick 42 for pick 29 doesn't make draft slot 14 stronger. BUT, 3RR doesn't stop there. Slot 14 also trades pick 43, which still has a nice selection of WR's and RB's available , for pick 56; which, imo, negates much of the advantage gained in the 29/42 swap. To paraphrase what another poster said in another thread; in the 3rd round, with 3RR, slot 14 may not get a materially better player but he can choose which player that will be instead of having to "settle" for a player. And, vice versa for slot 1. But again, imo, that flexibilty in round 3 comes at a cost; having to swap pick 43 for pick 56. I have come to the conclusion that I strongly favor 3RR. This is because I now believe 3RR will marginally improve my chances for an early draft slot, IF the sentiments being posted for 3RR are accurate regarding the new found appreciation for late draft slots. Having said that I shouldn't be voicing any negative concerns I have with the late draft slots in 3RR; but I also favor Full Disclosure. [/QUOTE]Which is why I said the top picks will still be the better ones.

The difference in rd 3 can be very large.

As in Wayne to J.Lewis, about 90 points.

The difference in Rd 4 is not that large. Someone would have to nail it as mentioned to gain back those 90 points.

And then I could go on and say the first pick in rd 5 negates what you mentioned in round 4.

So at the end of the day, the switch is round 3 can only be discounted a tad.