Voting For the President

botherk · Post by **botherk** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:58 am

Russ, It sounds more like you voted against the republican party than voted for Obama, verdad?

botherk · Post by **botherk** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:07 am

Truth be known, in my lifetime, I don't think that we will see a "people's candidate.
For the simple reason that the two party system is failing, but they hold all the cards.
Presidential candidates are party pushers first and everything else second.
Until America has another kind of revolution or catastrophe, nothing will change. Nancy Pelosi, who I view as the centerpiece of what is wrong with our political system, and others like her will forge on doing what is in her best interest, her party's best interest and America's best interest. Unfortunatly in that order.

RWyatt · Post by **RWyatt** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:29 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Russ, It sounds more like you voted against the republican party than voted for Obama, verdad? I agree, my statements do make it sound that way. But it is not the case.

Old School · Post by **Old School** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:16 am

Originally posted by Navel Lint:
quote:Originally posted by Phat Bustards:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
That brings up an even more interesting question...
Was there ever a time that anybody liked both final candidates for President?
Never, for me. No, I cannot say I have ever liked both candidates. I voted for President Bush 1 (twice) as he clearly was the best candidate (experience, intelligence, and understood the power and principles of being a Chief Executive rather than cheerleader and sound-bite mill), and President Bush 2 in 2000 and 2004 (history will catch up to me and view President Bush 2 very favorably even though I think he caved on certain economic policy).

[/QUOTE]Warrantless wiretapping
An unnecessary war in Iraq
Abandoning a war in Afghanistan
Turning a budget surplus into a trillion dollar deficit
A 25% drop in the market over 8 years
Presiding over the worst recession in half a century
Torture
Harriet Miers

If you are waiting to be on the right side of history, you’re gonna have a long wait. [/QUOTE]None of your points are true or factual. That's what happens when u drink the media kool-aid.

Obama is the most corrupt, anti-American, socialist president in history.

Robert Edwards · Post by **Robert Edwards** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:05 am

Russ, you and I are much the same as I am a moderate too. We will respectfully agree to disagree on Bush 2 (could be a damn good debate!

). I have all the respect in the world for Senator McCain. He has more character in his little finger brought about by the experience gained in years of service to his country than most in public service. However, I just do not think in 2000 or now that he would make a good President. Some succeed in certain roles but fail in others.

I do not think President Obama is qualified, experienced, or has the right character to be President. The mistakes related to the economy and foreign policy, obvious and glaring to anyone given careful consideration, will unfortunately take years to rectify.

One of my Grandmother's favorite sayings was that you can tell the character of a person by the company he keeps. When your biggest foreign supporters are bellwethers like Muammar el-Qaddafi and Hugo Chavez, you know you are in trouble.

[ September 29, 2009, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: Phat Bustards ]

RWyatt · Post by **RWyatt** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:27 am

Wayne,

I find that I learn so much more when I have disagreements with people than when I’m speaking with all like minded people. Your comments appear to be genuine and unequivocal. And so, while I find that I don’t agree with some of the things you have posted, I will continue to read (and occasionally respond

) to your post.

bobsgym13 · Post by **bobsgym13** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:15 am

Originally posted by Navel Lint:
quote:Originally posted by Phat Bustards:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
That brings up an even more interesting question...
Was there ever a time that anybody liked both final candidates for President?
Never, for me. I voted for Senator McCain, but really I was voting against President Obama, whom I fear (and justified) lacked the experience and personal qualities necessary to be even an effective President. Senator McCain was given the nomination, as Senator Dole, in my opinion, by those who value party over Nation. Senator McCain has served his country more than almost any in history and is a person of quality, but I do not think he would have been a good President, only better than what we as Americans have now, though ACORN and Muammar el-Qaddafi would certainly disagree. So I guess you could say that this last one was the only election I really voted "against" someone. [/QUOTE]As for Senator McCain; if you think he was given the nomination by his party, you better review the campaign again. John McCain is a man who was “swift boated” by his own party in 2000 and then was not given any money by the RNC in 2008 until he forced their hand by winning in early primaries. If anything, the RNC killed his chances to win the presidency. They turned a man of integrity and moderate appeal into a partisan hack. Senator McCain is a man that I respect and supported in 2000 and that I was terribly saddened to see forced to change for support from the base of the party.
I have voted for every Republican since President Reagan until this past year. But I am one of the growing numbers of people that have turned away from the Republican Party because of their increasingly exclusionary stance on issues both social and economic. There currently is no room for a moderate in the party and therefore no room for me. [/QUOTE]I am not a big fan of McCain but the whole 'McSame' thing was the worst political hackery.

A couple campaign trail quotes somehow turned a lifelong thorn in the far-right's side into Bush's long lost twin brother.

Bob

RWyatt · Post by **RWyatt** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:42 am

Originally posted by Bob Squad:
quote:Originally posted by Navel Lint:
quote:Originally posted by Phat Bustards:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
That brings up an even more interesting question...
Was there ever a time that anybody liked both final candidates for President?
Never, for me. I voted for Senator McCain, but really I was voting against President Obama, whom I fear (and justified) lacked the experience and personal qualities necessary to be even an effective President. Senator McCain was given the nomination, as Senator Dole, in my opinion, by those who value party over Nation. Senator McCain has served his country more than almost any in history and is a person of quality, but I do not think he would have been a good President, only better than what we as Americans have now, though ACORN and Muammar el-Qaddafi would certainly disagree. So I guess you could say that this last one was the only election I really voted "against" someone. [/QUOTE]As for Senator McCain; if you think he was given the nomination by his party, you better review the campaign again. John McCain is a man who was “swift boated” by his own party in 2000 and then was not given any money by the RNC in 2008 until he forced their hand by winning in early primaries. If anything, the RNC killed his chances to win the presidency. They turned a man of integrity and moderate appeal into a partisan hack. Senator McCain is a man that I respect and supported in 2000 and that I was terribly saddened to see forced to change for support from the base of the party.
I have voted for every Republican since President Reagan until this past year. But I am one of the growing numbers of people that have turned away from the Republican Party because of their increasingly exclusionary stance on issues both social and economic. There currently is no room for a moderate in the party and therefore no room for me. [/QUOTE]I am not a big fan of McCain but the whole 'McSame' thing was the worst political hackery.

A couple campaign trail quotes somehow turned a lifelong thorn in the far-right's side into Bush's long lost twin brother.

Bob [/QUOTE]So, you are saying either

A) He didn’t say the things he was quoted as saying, or
B) He didn’t believe the things he was saying

I believe the answer is B. Which illustrates my point; he was occasionally saying things to placate the base.

bobsgym13 · Post by **bobsgym13** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:45 am

Originally posted by Navel Lint:
quote:Originally posted by Bob Squad:
quote:Originally posted by Navel Lint:
quote:Originally posted by Phat Bustards:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
That brings up an even more interesting question...
Was there ever a time that anybody liked both final candidates for President?
Never, for me. I voted for Senator McCain, but really I was voting against President Obama, whom I fear (and justified) lacked the experience and personal qualities necessary to be even an effective President. Senator McCain was given the nomination, as Senator Dole, in my opinion, by those who value party over Nation. Senator McCain has served his country more than almost any in history and is a person of quality, but I do not think he would have been a good President, only better than what we as Americans have now, though ACORN and Muammar el-Qaddafi would certainly disagree. So I guess you could say that this last one was the only election I really voted "against" someone. [/QUOTE]As for Senator McCain; if you think he was given the nomination by his party, you better review the campaign again. John McCain is a man who was “swift boated” by his own party in 2000 and then was not given any money by the RNC in 2008 until he forced their hand by winning in early primaries. If anything, the RNC killed his chances to win the presidency. They turned a man of integrity and moderate appeal into a partisan hack. Senator McCain is a man that I respect and supported in 2000 and that I was terribly saddened to see forced to change for support from the base of the party.
I have voted for every Republican since President Reagan until this past year. But I am one of the growing numbers of people that have turned away from the Republican Party because of their increasingly exclusionary stance on issues both social and economic. There currently is no room for a moderate in the party and therefore no room for me. [/QUOTE]I am not a big fan of McCain but the whole 'McSame' thing was the worst political hackery.

A couple campaign trail quotes somehow turned a lifelong thorn in the far-right's side into Bush's long lost twin brother.

Bob [/QUOTE]So, you are saying either

A) He didn’t say the things he was quoted as saying, or
B) He didn’t believe the things he was saying

I believe the answer is B. Which illustrates my point; he was occasionally saying things to placate the base. [/QUOTE]Ding Ding Ding. The correct answer is B.

He was guilty of appealing to a base to which he does not agree. Doing it in the name of politics does not make it right; however, Obama himself certainly sounded like a uniting moderate on the campaign trail.

You cannot genuinely run on a uniting message and a few short months into your presidency state that you have tried uniting long enough and write the opposition off as the party of 'no'

A true uniter can face adversity a tad bit longer than he has.

If I am an unthinking drone my brain has been programmed to think that he is not 'as advertised'

Bob

bobsgym13 · Post by **bobsgym13** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:22 am

Regardless of political affiliation, politicians will always disappoint us. Heck, I will disappoint my friends, family and co-workers fairly regularly.

Personally, I have a set of ideals and pick politicians whose votes I believe will most closely advance those ideals. I am often wrong.

Example of a tough issue for me to reconcile:

I am absolutely opposed to affirmative action. Many of the people who agree with me are doing so solely out of a racial bias. I do so because I believe that our government should NEVER consider the color of our skin in ANY decision that they make.

The dilemma lies in walking hand in hand with those who will vote the way I would like them to but knowing that many are doing so for the wrong reasons.

Bob