NFFC Rules Survey Going Out This Week

[Route C]

That list of pros and cons is definately slanted to owners with multiple teams. Some of us do this for fun or at best as a hobby. I realize there are others that use this as a source of income. For those that fit that criteria a little additional work should be in order as that is how most of us earn a living.

As one who only owns 5-6 teams a year the extra effort is worth it to me to have as much info as possible.

That is all. Just wanted to make sure the "little guys" were represented here as well.

[wiljiro]

I find it absolutely "knee slapping" hilarious and incredibly ironic that in the NFFC a guy that owns 5-6 teams is considered a "little guy"..... too funny -

Wiljiro

[Cocktails and Dreams]

That list of pros and cons is definately slanted to owners with multiple teams. Some of us do this for fun or at best as a hobby. I realize there are others that use this as a source of income. For those that fit that criteria a little additional work should be in order as that is how most of us earn a living.

As one who only owns 5-6 teams a year the extra effort is worth it to me to have as much info as possible.

That is all. Just wanted to make sure the "little guys" were represented here as well.

Nobody is a big guy or little guy. But you are probably correct in the fact that list is probably slanted towards the multiple team type of guys. I don't think there is any need to have to go through the whole process thoroughly twice a week, when it can be just one. I would think this if I had one team or 180 teams. And the most important thing also doesn't have anything to do with number of teams one has. It is the epic clusterf$$k conditional bidding would become in my opinion.

[Coltsfan]

Jeff,

Just because your wife tells you you're a little guy doesn't mean you're a little guy here!

I have mulitple teams and I would think that Chad's proposal hurts those with a lot of teams. But that's just my take. I have no idea how he does waivers on all of his teams. It's incredible to me that he can do much more than glance at it each week. I probably spend 4-5 hours a week just on my teams and it's basically all done on Tuesday evenings. Then I find myself trying to rush home on Wednesday to try and change bids based on the news that comes out on Wednesday. There have been times when I just couldn't do so and it has cost me in a huge way this year.

While I appreciate Chad's list and I certainly understand what he is saying about conditional bids, the fact that we have to "guess" on so many players early in the week doesn't justify the slight situation that might be caused by conditional bids. And I reallly don't feel like this is an issue about how many leagues people are in. It's more so about is it better to bid on free agents before there is information released. If you guess right then you can be a huge winner with the Wednesday night full waviers. By Friday information is mostly available so you won't get as many steals on players as you might on Wednesday. So in my thinking I really think that is what it comes down to.


Wayne

[Route C]

That list of pros and cons is definately slanted to owners with multiple teams. Some of us do this for fun or at best as a hobby. I realize there are others that use this as a source of income. For those that fit that criteria a little additional work should be in order as that is how most of us earn a living.

As one who only owns 5-6 teams a year the extra effort is worth it to me to have as much info as possible.

That is all. Just wanted to make sure the "little guys" were represented here as well.

Nobody is a big guy or little guy. But you are probably correct in the fact that list is probably slanted towards the multiple team type of guys. I don't think there is any need to have to go through the whole process thoroughly twice a week, when it can be just one. I would think this if I had one team or 180 teams. And the most important thing also doesn't have anything to do with number of teams one has. It is the epic clusterf$$k conditional bidding would become in my opinion.

I respect your opinion but I'm not sure it's based on facts as much as speculation. I don't have the data but what are the chances that of the 2 teams playing every Thurs (excluding Thanksgiving ) that FAAB becomes a constant cluster$$$$ because your 3rd or 4th conditional just happens to be playing on Thursday on a weekly basis?
I do concede that his will happen but how often will it happen and how many weeks is it truly relevant?
I propose (speculation also) that having the additional 2 days every week to evaluate player status will be an advantage much greater than the potential devastation of not being able to include my 3rd or 4th conditional player bid in what is probably only a few times the entire season.

Realistically if I am willing to do short work on Wednesday I can gain those 2 days of info which may prove much more beneficial to me on Friday. Why should i have to guess which Pittsburg RB is starting on Wednesday when I can have that answer a day or 2 later.

[CALI CARTEL]

If I had 1 team or 100 teams, I'd prefer the dual FAAB dates with full claims on Wednesday. The Friday waivers are just backup bids on K & DT usually anyways, I can think of 1 significant move that was made in my leagues on a Friday (Danario Alexander slipped to a Friday bid).

If you push the full bids to Friday and only allow Thursday bids then, like Chad said, you have to guess whether or not you are gonna get a guy on Friday, and gamble on your choice to bid or pass on the Thursday guys. The first bid period HAS to include the whole league, there's just no other right way to do it.

If anything, I'd dump the Friday FAAB period and just go to a Wednesday only (however that's not great with injury scenarios on Thursdays/Fridays).

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Jeff,

Just because your wife tells you you're a little guy doesn't mean you're a little guy here!

I have mulitple teams and I would think that Chad's proposal hurts those with a lot of teams. But that's just my take. I have no idea how he does waivers on all of his teams. It's incredible to me that he can do much more than glance at it each week. I probably spend 4-5 hours a week just on my teams and it's basically all done on Tuesday evenings. Then I find myself trying to rush home on Wednesday to try and change bids based on the news that comes out on Wednesday. There have been times when I just couldn't do so and it has cost me in a huge way this year.

While I appreciate Chad's list and I certainly understand what he is saying about conditional bids, the fact that we have to "guess" on so many players early in the week doesn't justify the slight situation that might be caused by conditional bids. And I reallly don't feel like this is an issue about how many leagues people are in. It's more so about is it better to bid on free agents before there is information released. If you guess right then you can be a huge winner with the Wednesday night full waviers. By Friday information is mostly available so you won't get as many steals on players as you might on Wednesday. So in my thinking I really think that is what it comes down to.


Wayne

There is no way I would want to put in the time twice a week, rather than just once. That is what we would then be forced to do. You cannot possibly bid correctly on Thursday guys without evaluating the entire pool. At least now Friday is just a quick brush up for the most part.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Another con. If you need a bye week kicker or defense replacement etc with the current system you don't have to put in an endless bid group of crappy kickers to make sure you get one. If you miss on the first 3 or so, you can go back to the well Friday and put in a more comprehensive list. Usually you will get one and save ton of time in the process. Thursday only players forces us to put in this ridiculous comprehensive lists of endless garbage kickers. Annoying and time consuming.

[Sandman62]

Greg, please add option C: Lobby the NFL to get rid of the garbage product they put out for us most Thurs. nights?

I honestly don't know yet which side of this I fall on, as I've been on both since we've been discussing it all season:
http://nffcforums.stats.com/viewtopic.p ... ab#p180239

Either way, I would suggest removing all references to "slightly clearer" information [by only bidding on Thurs players on Wed and saving the big run til Fri]. That's obviously worded to minimize this issue. IMO, the survey's pros/cons should go out with just the facts; leave it to the readers to weigh how "slight" an issue is please. Maybe even consider including a couple links to the detailed discussions that took place on these boards?

[Cocktails and Dreams]

That list of pros and cons is definately slanted to owners with multiple teams. Some of us do this for fun or at best as a hobby. I realize there are others that use this as a source of income. For those that fit that criteria a little additional work should be in order as that is how most of us earn a living.

As one who only owns 5-6 teams a year the extra effort is worth it to me to have as much info as possible.

That is all. Just wanted to make sure the "little guys" were represented here as well.

Nobody is a big guy or little guy. But you are probably correct in the fact that list is probably slanted towards the multiple team type of guys. I don't think there is any need to have to go through the whole process thoroughly twice a week, when it can be just one. I would think this if I had one team or 180 teams. And the most important thing also doesn't have anything to do with number of teams one has. It is the epic clusterf$$k conditional bidding would become in my opinion.

I respect your opinion but I'm not sure it's based on facts as much as speculation. I don't have the data but what are the chances that of the 2 teams playing every Thurs (excluding Thanksgiving ) that FAAB becomes a constant cluster$$$$ because your 3rd or 4th conditional just happens to be playing on Thursday on a weekly basis?
I do concede that his will happen but how often will it happen and how many weeks is it truly relevant?
I propose (speculation also) that having the additional 2 days every week to evaluate player status will be an advantage much greater than the potential devastation of not being able to include my 3rd or 4th conditional player bid in what is probably only a few times the entire season.

Realistically if I am willing to do short work on Wednesday I can gain those 2 days of info which may prove much more beneficial to me on Friday. Why should i have to guess which Pittsburg RB is starting on Wednesday when I can have that answer a day or 2 later.

Your post had me curious so I wanted to check on a random team to see how many times I had Thursday players as conditonal bids on Wednesday night. I checked my best primetime team. The number was 17 times. 17 times this season I had a Thursday player in as a conditional bid on Wednesday. Staggering number. Over once a week. Would be far more of a hinderance than I even had thought. Would be really really bad to not be able to do that anymore.