2012 Playoff Proposal - too inclusive?

kjduke · Post by **kjduke** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:41 pm

Originally posted by ForLoveOfTheGame:
KJ, your team Zefurs.oc is in 613th place in the overall standings in the online championship but until last week was going to win money and go to the championship round, still can with a W and a Nemesis L this week... if you can't see how lucky that is then I can't explain it to you
That team's been lucky in Wins so far, but not so lucky losing my 1st round pick for most of the season. I've been on both sides of it this year and past years - part of the game. Is a high-scoring team that didn't lose any key players to injury not lucky as well?

Eliminating the H2H component will shrink the player pool and prizes, and make the remaining competition tougher. So I'd rather just accept that some of my teams will be lucky and some won't.

p.s. That league is a great example in that it's kept me fighting for a playoff spot even with a mediocre team, but in all probability it will be a dead team within the next 24 hours anyway because the odds of both me beating you and a strong Nemesis team losing this weekend aren't very good.

[ December 03, 2011, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Shrink Attack · Post by **Shrink Attack** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:50 pm

Allowing 6 teams to make the playoffs might be a bit much.

If this system was implemented during WWII, Japan would've made the playoffs!

kjduke · Post by **kjduke** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:56 pm

Originally posted by Shrink Attack:
Allowing 6 teams to make the playoffs might be a bit much.

If this system was implemented during WWII, Japan would've made the playoffs! That's exactly my point Shrink. The revision I'm suggesting would probably bring the average down to 4 to 4.5 teams per lge rather than 6.

kentucky · Post by **kentucky** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:39 pm

IMHO, I like it as is...allowing 6 teams in the playoff structure just waters it down. If your team isn't good enough after 13 weeks, so be it. Welcome to the consolation round...

Dave Clum · Post by **Dave Clum** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:55 pm

Originally posted by Thunder:
IMHO, I like it as is...allowing 6 teams in the playoff structure just waters it down. If your team isn't good enough after 13 weeks, so be it. Welcome to the consolation round... Ditto.

moyer1313 · Post by **moyer1313** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:51 pm

As long as I get my Participation Medal, I'll be happy.

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DoubleG · Post by **DoubleG** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:18 am

KJ - I tried to respond to your PM, but your mailbox is full.

What I wanted to say is that I think the current system is fine. I don't want anymore teams making the playoffs (both league and overall). IMO that is watering it down too much. I mean at some point people need to realize their teams suck, they've been screwed over, etc...THAT IS FANTASY FOOTBALL. if people understood how much luck was involved in this game, they would have reasonable expectations.

I understand the demise of the wcoff created some homeless players. Maybe those people like 6 teams making the playoffs, maybe they don't? I can only speak for myself.

Fourslot40 · Post by **Fourslot40** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:41 am

I think it needs to be four teams. How to decide getting to those four teams through points or record can be for discussion. Going to six pulls away from the season a little much.

I'm for staying with four and finding an encouraging way to combat deadbeat owners.

Coltsfan · Post by **Coltsfan** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:03 am

I really like KJ's proposal. Last year I might have been somewhat against it but I have definitely had a change of heart.

First if all, it's one thing for people to lost their money year after year - but it's another thing to do so without any hope of winning. The more near missed - the more likely teams are to come back. I see this as a huge positive for the contest.

Second, this gives good players an opportunity to lose some key players early on in the season, work the wavier wire, and put together a very strong season by the end of the year that is a force weeks 14-16.

I checked two of my leagues just to see how many teams would make the playoffs in this scenario and it was 3 in one league and 4 in the other. But in one of the leagues there are 4 additional teams that can make it based on how they do this week. It just keeps it exciting and makes the season relevant after week 8 for a lot more teams.

Great idea KJ.

Wayne

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:25 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Suppose we tweak the league playoff such that only the top 3 teams in either total points or H2H record qualify for the league playoff, rather than automatically having 6 teams seeded by points and record?

The playoff teams using one of my classic leagues as an example would look like this:

H2H standings
DaKolts (11-1), 1543.2
Pimpin' Trigger Jr (8-4), 1727
WAYMORE BLUZE (8-4), 1688.05

Points Standings
Pimpin' Trigger Jr (8-4), 1727
WAYMORE BLUZE (8-4), 1688.05
DaKolts (11-1), 1543.2

In this case, since the top three in points also are the top three based on record, only 3 teams would advance to the league playoff. However, because the top 3 in each category is guaranteed a playoff spot many teams would stay in the race deep into the season, without having to guarantee that a large number of teams actually qualify.

As few as three, or as many as six would qualify. But everyone would know that if they’re among the top three in either category they’ll lock down a playoff spot.

The other change I would make to KOQ’s proposal would be to dump the 1-week elimination of the bottom two teams from week 14, which seems arbitrary. In only rare cases would 6 teams qualify for the playoffs anyway.

For the overall playoff, which is designed to be more exclusive, only the top 2 teams in either category would qualify. In the league example above, three teams would make the overall championship (while the number could range from 2 to 4 across different leagues, although 4 would be rare).

To sum up.

* The top team in both points and record would win money after week 13. If the same team was best in both, that team would sweep the regular season money.

* The top 2 teams in points and record would qualify for the overall championship. If the top 2 in points and record are the same teams, only 2 would qualify.

* The top 3 teams in points and record would qualify for the league championship. If the top 3 in points and record are the same teams, only 3 would qualify. This is another good proposal, so after Week 13 let's run the league numbers and see how this would have played out in 2011. Again, let's use data, data, data to see if these "ideas" are proven concepts that really help the league or not. I like ideas and I'm willing to listen to them, but I'm more willing to put the data to the test and make sure what we're doing is smart for the long-term and can be easily explained.

I know I don't want to do something just because that's the way it was done before. Let's give fantasy owners more credit than we're doing; they can adjust to tweaks in the rules and playoff scenarios. WCOFF owners looking for a good game, a fair game, a better game can understand the NFFC rules and tweaks if we explain them enough. Even with KDS/3RR because how many owners are winning their leagues because they TARGETED a draft spot they wanted, got it and executed their draft plans to perfection? Many owners, I'd believe.

Good idea, but let's put it to the test after Week 13 along with KOQ's idea.