A Contrarian's View (very long)

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:44 am

it's clear that the fantasy camps are split in two...

Camp 1: Luck is present. Teams can/do get a random beatdown due SOLEY to random H2H schedules. This is NOT a problem. It is fate. End result: Beatdowns every year to random owners. Hopefully you're not the unlucky SOB who gets a beatdown 2 years in a row. If you are, deal with it. Just make sure you pony up the $2,500 or whatever the fees are for two years.

Camp 2: Luck is present. Teams can/do get a random beatdown due SOLEY to random H2H schedules. This is a problem. It can be changed. End result: Let the skill owners win out over the lucky owners.

[ December 04, 2004, 03:46 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 10:15 am

Originally posted by Nag':
Zola, agree on all your points. Count me in as the 3rd person Gordon now knows that doesn't mind random H2H. Nag

Maybe you should consider being a little more open minded. It seems you just set yourself up by being too rigid. I respect your opinion but as I've seen in previous threads you seem to be closed minded to any ideas that you're not familiar with. If you put some time into at least considering an idea, you might find that you have something valuable to add to it.

RC

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 10:24 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
it's clear that the fantasy camps are split in two...

Camp 1: Luck is present. Teams can/do get a random beatdown due SOLEY to random H2H schedules. This is NOT a problem. It is fate. End result: Beatdowns every year to random owners. Hopefully you're not the unlucky SOB who gets a beatdown 2 years in a row. If you are, deal with it. Just make sure you pony up the $2,500 or whatever the fees are for two years.

Camp 2: Luck is present. Teams can/do get a random beatdown due SOLEY to random H2H schedules. This is a problem. It can be changed. End result: Let the skill owners win out over the lucky owners. The problem GG is you make this too defineable. You make it seem like the problem is 100% the fault of the random schedule.

Final scores are determined by dozens of variables, some more than others.

You blew right over the "bye" week problem I mentioned which is a factor. There's more in this item that influences W/L on a weekly basis than random h2h scheduling.

How do we fix that problem? I have 3rd highest PA in main because of that?

Another factor in the scores is last week in Auction, I played the owner with P.Holmes. I got lucky there.

What about the owner that gets tied up and work and misses the FA deadline and Droughns falls to another team? That's a silly one for you, but this can go on and on.

To take the score data and label it only one thing is flawed. It most certainly needs to be analyzed, but you have to take into account all of the other factors that determine a final score when making a final analysis.

Luck is just a huge factor in it. Get over it. Both sides of the fence. You might get unlucky with the schedule, but get lucky with not facing stars on byes. It's FAIR, because no one knows in advance how this will play out.

Like I said, on AVERAGE, you'll get one unlucky and one lucky year every five years. If you get two unlucky ones in-a-row, then you're due for two lucky ones in-a-row. Of all of the luck evens out over time. So if I had 2 unlucky years in-a-row, I would be chomping at the bit year 3.

I liked Todd's post. He touched on a huge thing. The intensity of the week to week matchup and all the strategy involved with it. That right there is why FB blew past baseball 10 years ago.

No game will ever be perfect. There will dozens of great games that suit the tastes of the level you want to play at.

For mass appeal, it has to be as traditional as can be. It 10 years, there will be enough of a mass to start Fantasy Einstein contests.

[ December 04, 2004, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: UFS ]

lichtman · Post by **lichtman** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 10:30 am

Power rankings!

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:37 pm

Here is the solution. What teams should be worthy of the National Championship? The team with the most point from each league. Yes. Should any other teams go for the title? Most would say yes. One teams is not enough. This is what I would suggest. You set up two pools. If it was this year, say $75,000 and $25,000 for 1st in each. The bigger pool is for most points from each league. The top two teams qualify. In the smaller pool, the top two teams from h2h qualify. If a team had the most points and won the h2h, they would be in both pools. Same goes for the second most points, but there will times when two different teams might be entered in the h2h pool. There would be anywhere from 2 to 4 teams from each league shooting for the two titles. I would guess it would average less than 3 teams per league though. In the end, the best team most likely would win all the money anyway.

[ December 04, 2004, 06:39 PM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:43 pm

Originally posted by UFS:
If you get two unlucky ones in-a-row, then you're due for two lucky ones in-a-row. Of all of the luck evens out over time. So if I had 2 unlucky years in-a-row, I would be chomping at the bit year 3.
sorry "yearly luck" is mutually exclusive. i guess you believe in voodoo, love spells, wicca spells, horoscopes, amulets.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:47 pm

Originally posted by UFS:
I liked Todd's post. He touched on a huge thing. The intensity of the week to week matchup and all the strategy involved with it. "strategy involved" as compared to what? total points or all-play formats? i don't know about you, but my strategy in any format would be to pick the players that have the best chance to maximize my total points for the week. is your strategy different? do tell..

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:49 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
Here is the solution. What teams should be worthy of the National Championship? The team with the most point from each league. Yes. Should any other teams go for the title? Most would say yes. One teams is not enough. This is what I would suggest. You set up two pools. If it was this year, say $75,000 and $25,000 for 1st in each. The bigger pool is for most points from each league. The top two teams qualify. In the smaller pool, the top two teams from h2h qualify. If a team had the most points and won the h2h, they would be in both pools. Same goes for the second most points, but there will times when two different teams might be entered in the h2h pool. There would be anywhere from 2 to 4 teams from each league shooting for the two titles. I would guess it would average less than 3 teams per league though. In the end, the best team most likely would win all the money anyway. interesting idea. you think out of the box. like that.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:53 pm

Originally posted by UFS:
No game will ever be perfect. don't worry john. gekko industries is taking notes.

Originally posted by UFS:
For mass appeal, it has to be as traditional as can be. It 10 years, there will be enough of a mass to start Fantasy Einstein contests. 10 years? that's a long time from now. i'll go with a "few" years. you NEVER know what's going to happen.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:58 pm

Can we get some other folks involved? Thanks.

Camp 1: Luck is present. Teams can/do get a random beatdown due SOLEY to random H2H schedules. This is NOT a problem. It is fate. End result: Beatdowns every year to random owners. Hopefully you're not the unlucky SOB who gets a beatdown 2 years in a row. If you are, deal with it. Just make sure you pony up the $2,500 or whatever the fees are for two years.

Camp 2: Luck is present. Teams can/do get a random beatdown due SOLEY to random H2H schedules. This is a problem. It can be changed. End result: Let the skill owners win out over the lucky owners.

Make-shift camp rosters:

Camp 1:
Zola
Renman
UFS
Nag

Camp 2:
Route C
Gekko
Dyv
KJ Duke