Is It Twue???

Old School · Post by **Old School** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:40 am

Originally posted by Coltsfan:
quote: They can still compete hard against each other just like you and Wayne would in any league. And if you see that they're not, by all means call them out. Heck, folks have already accused them of worse after the first FAAB period. Whoaaaaaa! Mine and Russ's relationship is completely platonic!

Although the guy does look great in a Colts Jersey!

Wayne [/QB][/QUOTE]Wow! Wayne, Russ, do have something you want to tell us?

larry schechter · Post by **larry schechter** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:44 am

Greg, big difference between friends being in the same league, or the same person owning two teams.

And yes, they've been accused of bad things. I've accused the owner of being a moron. And then I changed the accusation to possible collusion.

Whether MSW was really their 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice to drop is irrelevant. 1st, 2nd or 3rd it's still a moronic move. You don't drop your healthy #4-5 pick after one week, unless you're stupid or up to attempting collusion.

If I were in charge, I'd have removed MSW from the pool.

But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I still love ya, Greg.

I'm sure that the people in that league will be watching carefully when the wife plays the hubby.

My only regret is that Greg didn't bring in Lt Colombo. He would have set up a sting. He would have left MSW in the FA pool, and then wait and see how much the other hubby/wife team bid on him. If they bid a huge amount, we'd know it was setup from the beginning. If they didn't bid, they'd be proven innocent. Too late now, though.

Shrink Attack · Post by **Shrink Attack** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:45 am

Originally posted by Old School:
quote:Originally posted by Coltsfan:
quote: They can still compete hard against each other just like you and Wayne would in any league. And if you see that they're not, by all means call them out. Heck, folks have already accused them of worse after the first FAAB period. Whoaaaaaa! Mine and Russ's relationship is completely platonic!

Although the guy does look great in a Colts Jersey!

Wayne [/QUOTE]Wow! Wayne, Russ, do have something you want to tell us? [/QB][/QUOTE]It's all legal between two consenting adults in the state of Indiana.

kentucky · Post by **kentucky** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:47 am

FWIW, people are always going to be concerned when there's two or more family members in the same league. even MORE concerned in higher stakes leagues. there are enough eyes and ears out there to make sure everything is done above board. just let it play out and the "powers that be" will take care of it.

Shrink Attack · Post by **Shrink Attack** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:57 am

Originally posted by Route C:
Good job guys as always handling this one. My only interest in this anyway was if MSW was deemed undroppable. I enjoyed presenting my side of the arguement as well as hearing the other side.

Maybe in the future we can have these discussions in a healthier way because they really do add to the contest IMO Agree 100%

Although my first impression was to allow the drop, I realize that I don't have all the facts and I'm convinced that Greg and Tom looked this over very carefully before rendering their decision. We should all trust the process and respect the decision.

I also agree that I like a healthy, respectful discussion and debate. Maybe we can have more of those in the future, Jeff.

[ September 20, 2010, 05:00 PM: Message edited by: Shrink Attack ]

Sebadiah23 · Post by **Sebadiah23** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:57 am

The "possible" collusion was prevented, which was the ultimate goal of sending this inquiry to the league officials.

Old School, of course we don't believe the guy for one second, even a millisecond honestly, but without proof, its hard to take more action than Tom and Greg already have. I feel the decision was very much in the category of appropriate choices.

Due to the special nature of this drop, I advise players to not spend any time worrying about it setting a precedent in general. Its not the typical situation by any means, such as when an owner owns 4 awesome QBs by luck but simply has no need for 4.

Thanks Greg and Tom for making an appropriate decision based on all info.

-Craig Kielinski, co-manager of "The 12th Man" in same league

Old School · Post by **Old School** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:05 am

Originally posted by Sebadiah23:
The "possible" collusion was prevented, which was the ultimate goal of sending this inquiry to the league officials.

Old School, of course we don't believe the guy for one second, even a millisecond honestly, but without proof, its hard to take more action than Tom and Greg already have. I feel the decision was very much in the category of appropriate choices.

Due to the special nature of this drop, I advise players to not spend any time worrying about it setting a precedent in general. Its not the typical situation by any means, such as when an owner owns 4 awesome QBs by luck but simply has no need for 4.

Thanks Greg and Tom for making an appropriate decision based on all info.

-Craig Kielinski, co-manager of "The 12th Man" in same league agreed Craig. I am happy I didn't have to cock-block this week in waivers..

joe

Ted's Cracked Head · Post by **Ted's Cracked Head** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:32 pm

One more little tidbit and one I cannot shake,

Normally when someone makes a mistake of that magnitude they immediately let it be known that an error was made and they would like help asap.

In this case it appears that they saw what happened and did not care until Greg contacted them.

This leads me to believe that they knew what they were doing and should not have received the player back on their roster.

I would like to know if they sought this change. If they did, then I was way off base and I apologize.

If not, then they should have lost MSW and he should have been pulled from the pool because of his ADP as stated by Greg in his decision.

larry schechter · Post by **larry schechter** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:48 pm

Silver and Black has just restated what I said before. This was NOT a mistake. They intended to drop MSW (as well as to drop Hardesty).

Whether they did that because they were foolish, or because they hoped their other team would be able to pick him up next week, we do not know.

Therefore, if it were me, I would not have given them MSW back. I would just remove him from the pool.

Old School · Post by **Old School** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:49 pm

Originally posted by Silver and Black:
One more little tidbit and one I cannot shake,

Normally when someone makes a mistake of that magnitude they immediately let it be known that an error was made and they would like help asap.

In this case it appears that they saw what happened and did not care until Greg contacted them.

This leads me to believe that they knew what they were doing and should not have received the player back on their roster.

I would like to know if they sought this change. If they did, then I was way off base and I apologize.

If not, then they should have lost MSW and he should have been pulled from the pool because of his ADP as stated by Greg in his decision. Agree with that too Rob.