2007 NFFC Plans

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:43 am

Originally posted by UFS:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
greg - don't split up the pts against between the offense/defense. let's not make fantasy football too confusing to folks. And on top of this, the NFL has always considered a team throwing an INT to be on D when the ball is being returned. They are in fact defending their goal. [/QUOTE]Very true. If the COLTS have the ball, and Manning throws an INT to the Jets, but the Jets' cornerback fumbles the ball 10 yards into the play, and then Peyton Manning picks up the fumble and runs it in for a TD, the COLTS Defense is a awarded the touchdown. Peyton Manning, of course, is awarded the individual TD, but THE NFL would recognize Manning as being a defensive player at the time of his TD and would be recorded as such.

[ January 01, 2007, 06:44 AM: Message edited by: Diesel-MoJo Rising ]

TURBOUGH · Post by **TURBOUGH** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:00 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

3. I am considering a plan to reward league prizes differently, giving $2,500 to the h2h regular season champion, $2,500 to the total points champion and $2,500 to any team that won both categories. In that case, the next best total points team would win $2,500. If two teams split the top prizes, then we'd have a three-week league playoff consisting of just total points from Weeks 14-16 for the final $2,500 payout.
I must not be understanding this change (literally). Since I don't understand it, I'd just leave it like it is.

Can you explain this one a little more clearly? What I see is that if someone wins points and h2h then they'll get $7500 according this this. Will there not be a playoff game? I think I'm missing something here.

Thanks

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:33 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
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Happy New Year!

~Lance

renman · Post by **renman** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:02 am

God,

I have no problem with you discussing the topic. But you did do it in a totally mocking way that is what breeds the silly stuff on this board. Thats all. I know you were trying to get a laugh from some of the guys, I get it. I guess I thought you could add so much more to the conversation to discuss it in a respectful way.

you said..

"KJ Duke already gave some good examples...
"Offensive teams that control the clock significantly reduce the amount of time that a defense has to stop the opponent.
- If a QB throws an INT and tackles the DEF player at the 1 yd line. Now that team's defense has to stop the opponent from gaining 1 yard - is that really much different from an offense that allows a pick for a TD? No.""

Actually it is TOTALLY different. I am fully aware (as I posted about it earlier) that all kinds of things in a football game can impact how others score. But in ONE example the defense was on the sideline and in zero way had any influence or impact on how "they" (the defense/special teams) lost points in terms of fantasy results. In the other example (where a turnover resulted in the opposing team getting the ball on the one yard line), they did have a chance to come in and create a turnover, hold the other team to a field goal, get the ball back on downs, etc.

No one is saying we can ever make things totally perfect and 100% fair because there will always be the "bounce of the ball", but we can try to eliminate the MORE or MOST unfair occurrences can't we?

Again, I am not saying this is a big deal to me (it isn't). But I thought this thread was a "brainstorming" thread for discussing ideas about change or to improve the game. Many people over the years in my fantasy football circles have expressed irritation with this issue. Now I have seen 4 differnet people bring it up here on this board. Seemed a reasonable thing to discuss to me.

Sound Advice · Post by **Sound Advice** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:53 am

How is it that a Def units get 6 points on a TD for kick off returns by Jones-Drew, (an offensive player) but they don't get even 1 lousy point for an obviously defensive play. (a blocked kick.) That makes no sense to me.
If it is because the ST designation, then why not a point or 2 for a blocked punt or blocked kick?
A kick block is pulled off by the Def/ST.
If we have a Def/ST designation, why are no points awarded for a block?

And why can't the td's go to the guy that scored it?

renman · Post by **renman** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:18 am

Sound,

To me, those are fair questions to ask. I like this thread being about discussing these things. The reason a TD on a return does not go to the player is because they cannot reward points to two different teams for the same touchdown. At least that would be my guess. Can't give Jones-Drew the TD for the return AND whoever has the Jags defense/special teams. If one team had both the Jags and MJD they would get two TD's for one TD.

As for blocked punts and kicks. Good question. Never thought about it. I guess there is a balance between allowing defenses/special teams to score TOO much and not enough. I think the NFFC has it pretty good the way it is currently done.

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:04 am

Originally posted by renman:
I know you were trying to get a laugh from some of the guys, I get it. But in ONE example the defense was on the sideline and in zero way had any influence or impact on how "they" (the defense/special teams) lost points in terms of fantasy results. Like I said on the other thread, I don't write things for the MB audience to get a good laugh. I'm not looking to impress anyone who posts on here.

All facets of the game have some influence on each other whether they are on the field at the time or not. If you have a ball controlling O, they are influencing their D by giving them some extra rest. The same goes for an O that's constantly going 3 and out, they are killing their D by not giving them rest. You have a Bears special team unit returning kicks for TD's like there's no tomorrow, this greatly influences their offense. A crappy D will help pad the stats of the teams QB, etc, etc, etc. I know these aren't precise examples for fantasy, but the entire team/game is influenced by all players on both sides of the ball.

So one week a QB throws a pick that is returned for a TD, thus taking pts. away from your teams D, just remember, the next week that same QB might manage a game where they control the ball the majority of the game, enabling your D to be fresh, thus scoring more pts. for your D. We all play under the same rules and deal with the same circumstances. If you think a potential shutout ruined by an INT return bothers you, imagine what it does for that QB's teammates on D.

renman · Post by **renman** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:10 am

God,

Again, you can PICK YOUR DEFENSE with a ball controlling offense in mind. You can incorporate that into the strategy of what defense/special teams you choose. You cannot PREDICT when offenses will turn the ball over in a way that results in a turnover the other way that hurts your defense/special teams.

There are many fantasy football players who think this is a legit point. That is all I am saying.

TURBOUGH · Post by **TURBOUGH** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:14 am

Originally posted by Sound Advice:
How is it that a Def units get 6 points on a TD for kick off returns by Jones-Drew, (an offensive player) but they don't get even 1 lousy point for an obviously defensive play. (a blocked kick.) That makes no sense to me.
If it is because the ST designation, then why not a point or 2 for a blocked punt or blocked kick?
A kick block is pulled off by the Def/ST.
If we have a Def/ST designation, why are no points awarded for a block? And why can't the td's go to the guy that scored it? I totally agree with you on this one. I feel that if you have an offensive player score on a special teams or defensive play, that player should also get 6 points. Whoever has the defense should get 6 points as well. That just my opinion but I would like for this to be considered for 2007.

[ January 02, 2007, 03:16 PM: Message edited by: TURBOUGH ]

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:43 am

GLY, I understood the points you were making within the context of this thread and enjoy your humorous slants.

Please don't stop. The members of the anal frat will never understand that humor can get the job done also.