Potential Scoring Change

TamuScarecrow · Post by **TamuScarecrow** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:56 pm

I can just picture HH winning the $100K only to have Greg and Tom show up at his house 3 months later to foreclose on his house due to a scoring change made in March.

NAG, how about some examples of scoring changes that have been made the last 10 weeks that no one got points for. That way you can either really get the masses stirred up or shut up completely about this topic until February. Like you, I'm all for getting the scoring as correct as possible but the impetus is on the NFL and I think the recent court loss over stat ownership isn't going to endear them to accommodate fantasy football leagues with the most correct stats.

Nag' · Post by **Nag'** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:18 pm

Originally posted by Tamuscarecrow:
NAG, how about some examples of scoring changes that have been made the last 10 weeks that no one got points for. That way you can either really get the masses stirred up or shut up completely about this topic until February. Like you, I'm all for getting the scoring as correct as possible but the impetus is on the NFL and I think the recent court loss over stat ownership isn't going to endear them to accommodate fantasy football leagues with the most correct stats. Stat Changes for Week #2 (Published Thu Sep 20 11:39:59 a.m. ET 2007)
The following stat changes have been made by the Elias Sports Bureau for NFL Week #2.

Panthers: from 278 to 287 net passing yards.
Deshaun Foster: from 4 for 20 to 5 receptions for 29 yards.
Deshaun Foster: from 0 to 1 fumble and 1 fumble lost.
DeAngelo Williams: from 5 to 4 receptions.
DeAngelo Williams: from 1 fumble and 1 lost to 0 fumbles.
Jake Delhomme: from 307 to 316 passing yards.
Seahawks: from 92 to 74 rushing yards.
Matt Hasselbeck: from 6 to -12 rushing yards
Matt Hasselbeck: from -18 to 0 own fumble recovery yards.
Jeff Webb: from 59 to 57 receiving yards.
Michael Bennett: from 20 to 22 receiving yards.
Adrian Peterson (CHI): from 0 fumbles to 1 fumble and 1 own fumble recovery.
Shawne Merriman: from 0 to 1 pass defensed.

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Stat Changes for Week #3 (Published Fri Sep 28 5:19:05 a.m. ET 2007)
The following stat changes have been made by the Elias Sports Bureau for NFL Week #3.

San Francisco 49ers: Joe Nedney's 49 yard field goal was changed to a 50 yarder.

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Stat Changes for Week #4 (Published Thu Oct 4 12:20:36 p.m. ET 2007)
The Elias Sports Bureau has made the following official stat changes for Week #4:
Chad Pennington: from 290 to 291 passing yards.
Jerricho Cotchery: from 106 to 107 receiving yards.
Kelly Holcomb: from 1 to 0 rush attempts.
Kelly Holcomb: from 4 to 5 sacks against.
Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila: from 2 to 3 sacks.
Packers Defense: from 4 sacks to 5 sacks.
Larry Fitzgerald: from 11 for 123 to 10 for 120 receiving.
Bryant Johnson: from 3 for 37 to 4 for 40 receiving.
James Harrison: from 0 sacks to 0.5 sack for 2 yards.
Aaron Smith: from 1 sack for 4 yards to 0.5 sack for 2 yards.
Aaron Smith: from 3 tackles and 0 assists to 2 tackles and 1 assist.
Darnell Dockett: from 3 sacks for 29 yards to 2.5 sacks for 24.5 yards.
Darnell Dockett: from 5 tackles and 1 assist to 4 tackles and 2 assists.
Bert Berry: from 0 sacks to 0.5 sack for 4.5 yards.
Bert Berry: from 0 to 1 assist.
Adalius Thomas: from 1 sack for 8 yards to 0.5 sack for 4 yards.
Adalius Thomas: from 4 tackles and 1 assist to 3 tackles and 2 assists.
Jarvis Green: from 0 sacks to 0.5 sack for 4 yards.
Jarvis Green: from 1 to 2 assists

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Stat Changes for Week #5 (Published Thu Oct 11 12:10:02 p.m. ET 2007)
The Elias Sports Bureau has made the following official stat changes for Week #5:

Jon Kitna: from 4 rushes for 3 yards to 3 rushes for 1 yard.
Jon Kitna: from 5 sacks against to 6 sacks against.
Lions: from 20 rushes for 68 yards to 19 rushes for 66 yards.
Marcus Washington: from 1 sack to 2 sacks.
Redskins Defense: from 5 sacks to 6 sacks.
Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila: from 0.5 sacks for 4.5 yards to 0 sacks.
Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila: from 2 assists to 1 assist.
Aaron Kampman: from 0 to 1 assist.
Aaron Kampman: from 0 to 0.5 sacks for 4.5 yards.

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Stat Changes for Week #6 (Published Thu Oct 18 2:36:24 p.m. ET 2007)
The following stat changes were made by the Elias Sports Bureau for Week #6.

Glenn Holt: from 1 reception for 7 yards to 2 receptions for 14 yards.
Skyler Green: from 1 reception for 7 yards to 0 receptions.
Landon Johnson: from 0.5 sacks for 4 yards to 1 sack for 8 yards.
Justin Smith: from 1.5 sacks for 10 yards to 1 sack for 6 yards.
Justin Smith: from 1 assist to 0 assists.
Daunte Culpepper: from 230 to 229 passing yards.
Johnnie Lee Higgins: from 15 to 14 receiving yards.
Raiders: from 193 to 192 net passing yards.
Kevin Faulk: from 13 rushes for 50 yards to 12 rushes for 47 yards.
Kyle Eckel: from 3 rushes for 6 yards to 4 rushes for 9 yards.
Marion Barber: from 8 rushes for 47 yards to 9 rushes for 49 yards.
Cowboys: from 15 rushes for 97 yards to 16 rushes for 99 yards.

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Stat Changes for Week #7 (Published Thu Oct 25 10:36:39 a.m. ET 2007)
The following stat changes were made by the Elias Sports Bureau for Week #7.

Mike Vrabel: from 2 to 3 tackles.
Mike Vrabel: from 0 sacks to 1 sack for 11 yards.
Mike Vrabel: from 0 to 1 forced fumble.
Scott Fujita: from 4 to 5 tackles.
Scott Fujita: from 0 sacks to 1 sack for 7 yards.
Scott Fujita: from 0 to 1 forced fumble.
Charles Grant: from 5 tackles and 0 assists to 4 tackles and 1 assist.
Charles Grant: from 1 sack for 7 yards to 0.5 sack for 0.5 yards.
Charles Grant: from 1 to 0 forced fumbles.
Kendrick Clancy: from 1 tackle and 1 assist to 0 tackles and 2 assists.
Kendrick Clancy: from 1 sack for 1 yard to 0.5 sack for 0.5 yards.
Chad Pennington: from 1 fumble and 1 fumble lost to 0 fumbles.
Nick Mangold: from 0 fumbles to 1 fumble and 1 fumble lost.
Daunte Culpepper: from 29 to 30 pass attempts.
Ray Edwards: 0 to 1 assist.
Ray Edwards: from 0 sacks to 0.5 sack for 3.5 yards.
Ray Edwards: from 0 to 1 forced fumble.
Brian Robison: from 0 to 1 assist.
Brian Robison: from 1 sack for 7 yards to 0.5 sack for 3.5 yards.
Kevin Williams: from 1 fumble recovery for 0 yards to 1 fumble recovery for 15 yards.

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Stat Changes for Week #8 (Published Thu Nov 1 11:39:50 a.m. ET 2007)
The following stat changes were made by the Elias Sports Bureau for Week #8.

Cleo Lemon: from 7 rushes for 18 yards to 5 rushes for 28 yards.
Cleo Lemon: from 1 sack against for 11 yards to 3 sacks against for 30 yards.
Cleo Lemon: from 2 fumbles to 1 fumble.
Cleo Lemon: from 1 own fumble recovery for -9 yards to 0 own fumble recoveries.
Kawika Mitchell: from 0 sacks to 1 sack for 9 yards.
Giants Defense: from 1 sack for 11 yards to 3 sacks for 30 yards.
Will Smith: from 0.5 sacks for 3 yards to 1 sack for 6 yards.
Will Smith: from 1 tackle and 1 assist to 2 tackles and 0 assists.
Charles Grant: from 0.5 sacks for 3 yards to 0 sacks.
Charles Grant: from 1 assist to 0 assists.

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Stat Changes for Week #9 (Published Thu Nov 8 10:08:14 a.m. ET 2007)
The following stat changes were made by the Elias Sports Bureau for Week #9:

Patrick Willis: from 8 tackles and 2 assists to 7 tackles and 3 assists.
Patrick Willis: from 1 sack for 7 yards to 0.5 sacks for 3.5 yards.
Parys Haralson: from 0 assists to 1 assist.
Parys Haralson: from 0 sacks to 0.5 sacks for 3.5 yards.
Ernie Sims: from 6 tackles and 3 assists to 7 tackles and 2 assists.
Ernie Sims: from 0.5 sacks for 2.5 yards to 1 sack for 5 yards.
Jared Devries: from 1 assist to 0 assists.
Jared Devries: from 0.5 sacks for 2.5 yards to 0 sacks.
Kenneth Pettway: from 1 tackle to 2 tackles.
Kenneth Pettway: from 0 sacks to 1 sacks for 10 yards.
Kenneth Pettway: from 0 forced fumbles to 1 forced fumble.
Paul Spicer: from 1 tackle to 0 tackles.
Paul Spicer: from 1 sack for 10 yards to 0 sacks.
Paul Spicer: from 1 forced fumble to 0 forced fumbles.
Renaldo Wynn: from 3 tackles and 0 assists to 2 tackles and 1 assist.
Renaldo Wynn: from 2 sacks for 10 yards to 1.5 sacks for 8 yards.
Josh Cooper: from 0 sacks to 0.5 sacks for 2 yards.
Josh McCown: from 28 pass attempts to 27 pass attempts.
Will Demps: from 1 pass defensed to 0 passes defensed.

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Many of the defensive changes above are not relevant but most, if not ALL offensive changes were nto implemented in the NFFC. Rules are rules, right?

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:39 pm

I understand there must be a deadline...and before new games are played.

But damn it is unjust to have things that actually happened on the NFL field of play to not count here.

We pretty much put 100% of our trust into the fact that we will get credit for what our players do.

To not get credit for what our starters do is just a joke.

~Lance

TamuScarecrow · Post by **TamuScarecrow** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:45 pm

Impressive, NAG, but once again I'm going to ask this question, why does it take the NFL 4 days to make these corrections? A billion-dollar business can't afford an official scorer to review the game film after the game to make these changes known by Tuesday at the latest? Bullsh*t. This is the NFL not giving a rat's rump about stats but caring only about making sure the gate receipts are accurately counted. There is absolutely no reason stat finality can't be achieved by Tuesday.

Nag' · Post by **Nag'** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:52 pm

Originally posted by Tamuscarecrow:
Impressive, NAG, but once again I'm going to ask this question, why does it take the NFL 4 days to make these corrections? A billion-dollar business can't afford an official scorer to review the game film after the game to make these changes known by Tuesday at the latest? Bullsh*t. This is the NFL not giving a rat's rump about stats but caring only about making sure the gate receipts are accurately counted. There is absolutely no reason stat finality can't be achieved by Tuesday. I don't disagree with you, but for our FF purposes, all we can do for now is play by their rules. All changes must be implemented, with a reasonable deadline (which I personally think should be Saturday). KNOWINGLY not getting the correct stats for your team is an absolute travesty.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:53 pm

Originally posted by Nag':
Stat Changes for Week #2 (Published Thu Sep 20 11:39:59 a.m. ET 2007)
Stat Changes for Week #3 (Published Fri Sep 28 5:19:05 a.m. ET 2007)
Stat Changes for Week #4 (Published Thu Oct 4 12:20:36 p.m. ET 2007)
Stat Changes for Week #5 (Published Thu Oct 11 12:10:02 p.m. ET 2007)
Stat Changes for Week #6 (Published Thu Oct 18 2:36:24 p.m. ET 2007)
Stat Changes for Week #7 (Published Thu Oct 25 10:36:39 a.m. ET 2007)
Stat Changes for Week #8 (Published Thu Nov 1 11:39:50 a.m. ET 2007)
Stat Changes for Week #9 (Published Thu Nov 8 10:08:14 a.m. ET 2007) So with the exception of Week 3 (and possibly Week 1), all of the changes were published by Elias by 3pm ET Thursday.

Looking forward to next year, it would seem to make sense to move the deadline for scoring changes to late Thursday. Of course, this will become a problem starting with Thanksgiving and every Thursday thereafter. Worst of all will be the final two weeks of FAAB (weeks 12 and 13), where tie-breakers could potentially change with amended wins and losses.

Nag', constructively speaking, how would you propose to handle the Thursday game issue?

Nag' · Post by **Nag'** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:58 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:
Nag', constructively speaking, how would you propose to handle the Thursday game issue? You want to makethe deadline Thursday morning/ealry afternoon the weeks when there are games, go ahead. I personally do not see a problem with making retroactive changes once Thursday games went off, even if it means a change in win/loss. I've seen it done in WCOFF for 6 years and Antsports (whose deadline is Sunday kickoff).

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:07 pm

Originally posted by Nag':
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
Nag', constructively speaking, how would you propose to handle the Thursday game issue? You want to makethe deadline Thursday morning/ealry afternoon the weeks when there are games, go ahead. I personally do not see a problem with making retroactive changes once Thursday games went off, even if it means a change in win/loss. I've seen it done in WCOFF for 6 years and Antsports (whose deadline is Sunday kickoff). [/QUOTE]Definitely worth a discussion. In any event, your evidence (Elias posting dates and times) has proven that the Wednesday 12pm deadline is meaningless. Let's move this to the forefront of 2008 rules changes.

Mr. Childs had an excellent point that got somewhat lost in the shuffle -- why has it taken so long for this to become important?

Nag' · Post by **Nag'** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:17 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:
Mr. Childs had an excellent point that got somewhat lost in the shuffle -- why has it taken so long for this to become important? This issue was discussed over 5 weeks ago at which time, the Wednesday deadline was deemed to be obsolete and more importantly - dangerously unfair to the participants who are being screwed out of EARNED points.

****://nffcboards.stats.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000443#000013

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