Week 6 Top 30

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:51 am

Yes, the Auction is the fairest and, I must add, a lot more fun than any regular draft. I posted a long piece of why Auctions are great in another thread when somebody asked about it. With no "slots" to worry about, the leaderboard so far:

Team Eliason 858.10
Jersey Paul Auction 850.35
gigglin marlin 840.25
Fandango 839.30
the savy veterans 820.50

David Wooderson · Post by **David Wooderson** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:58 am

Originally posted by Liquid Empire:

Our matchup will be a "LOSER LEAVES TOWN" match bet. This was made famous back in the early 1980's in the NWA wrestling scene down south. What if the loser returns back to the ring with a mask on!!! How about a Scaffold Match!!!!

lichtman · Post by **lichtman** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:01 am

I think the reason that auction leagues aren;t a bigger draw is that you need a few under your belt before you commit the big bucks to an NFFC event.

FAAB is different, I think, because you can't really screw yourself if you are terrible at it the first time. You can miss out on opportunities to help yourself, but you can't screw yourself.

If you head into an auction without experience you could very easily throw away your season after the first game.

TamuScarecrow · Post by **TamuScarecrow** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:24 am

having my daughter or Tom pick the names out of a hat again in 2005!!!Still the best way to do it, Greg. Gives all of these MB geniuses a reason to live.

the problem with serpentine drafts is that half the teams will not be happy with their draft position...they will complain about it, talk about it, and use it as an excuse for losing.Fandango, being repetitious with the complaining and excuse stuff, but let me expand on something you've hit on here. At the end of the year, at least 150 teams who don't win a dime are going to hate their draft positions whether they bid on them or not, whether they got the draft position they wanted or not.

...seeing that the NFFC only had 40 teams participate in the auction style draftThis should give you a ballpark number as to how many people would favor draft position bidding. When this number reaches half, then come back with this idea. Let's get 602 teams first.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:59 am

Originally posted by TamuScarecrow:
This should give you a ballpark number as to how many people would favor draft position bidding. When this number reaches half, then come back with this idea. Let's get 602 teams first. that's crap. most owners will go with whatever system is presented.

TamuScarecrow · Post by **TamuScarecrow** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:28 am

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Originally posted by TamuScarecrow:
This should give you a ballpark number as to how many people would favor draft position bidding. When this number reaches half, then come back with this idea. Let's get 602 teams first.
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that's crap. most owners will go with whatever system is presented

True, Gordon, so why are you lobbying for change 6 weeks into the first NFFC season? I would rather have 602 teams than draft position bidding.

But since you're here, let's get to the $6 million question, if Greg were to approve draft position bidding next year and you bid and get the draft position you want and your team tanks the season, will we have to listen to you complain about not having enough FA money to save your team? And this isn't Mr. Sarcasm asking this question because I'm in 3 leagues with you and know you are doing well in all 3 so I know you aren't lobbying for this as a complainer.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:12 am

Originally posted by TamuScarecrow:
True, Gordon, so why are you lobbying for change 6 weeks into the first NFFC season? I would rather have 602 teams than draft position bidding. you have to start somewhere. do you think greg will accept this concept overnight? your post makes it sound like getting to 602 team and blind bidding for draft slots are somehow correlated. at this pt, i don't think so. if anything, in the future they will be postively correlated.

Originally posted by TamuScarecrow:
But since you're here, let's get to the $6 million question, if Greg were to approve draft position bidding next year and you bid and get the draft position you want and your team tanks the season, will we have to listen to you complain about not having enough FA money to save your team? complaining OR trying to improve the system??? why argue over semantics? i have too much FA money left in each league. i wish i could have bid on draft slot. would have been more efficient use.

[ October 21, 2004, 04:14 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:13 am

Originally posted by TamuScarecrow:
And this isn't Mr. Sarcasm asking this question because I'm in 3 leagues with you and know you are doing well in all 3 so I know you aren't lobbying for this as a complainer. the league we aren't in together, i'm winning. ya maybe that's the key...get rid of scarecrow...i win.

[ October 21, 2004, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

TamuScarecrow · Post by **TamuScarecrow** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:11 am

Good retort back, Gordon. Like you, I am in the NFFC for the long haul and would not be against any of the ideas that you and others have thrown out. I would love to see Greg set up leagues like the GEKKO Invitational where teams from the different cities can go head-to-head and where draft position bidding could be introduced and fine-tuned so that if and when it does become part of the NFFC it won't be a foreign concept and will be welcomed rather than dreaded. Baby steps!!! I agree with Dyv about people avoiding change but if you give them a chance to get involved with it for a reasonable price instead of $1250 I think you'll get a lot more people on the MB's supporting you on this issue.

And don't give me the Mr. Humility act. I may be ahead of you in points in two of the three but you are ahead of me in the standings.

Nag' · Post by **Nag'** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:17 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
...your post makes it sound like getting to 602 team and blind bidding for draft slots are somehow correlated. at this pt, i don't think so. if anything, in the future they will be postively correlated.It absolutely is! I always examine all league rules carefully before joining, and I actually passed on another "highstakes" contest this season because of their free agent rules (worst to first and limitations on weekly & yearly pickups).
This has been a long discussion and I did not read through all the posts so this may have been covered extensively, but I will tell you that a strange rule like draft position bidding will most certainly intimidate and discourage many owners from joining. League setup, rules and scoring system are very important and should appeal to everyone, not just to the seasoned onwers or to the newbies. While I like GG's idea and it defintely has a place in fantasy football, I do not think that place is the NFFC in 2005.