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Originally posted by Shrink Attack:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by Shrink Attack:
My only point is this: Using the NFFC schedule is a valid strategy, it should be allowed, but it's value is overblown when considering my own drafting strategy.
Paul Was this strategy there when the NFFC started? no
Was it meant to be a strategy at all? no. It's a by product of implementing KDS.
Is it a strategy that really determines who the best FF owner is? no
It's there now and kudos to all that make it part of their strategy, but It was never meant to be part of the game.
You'd rather pick 12th or 13th than have ANY TOP RB or WR vs a BYE LT?
How many of your games were decided by 7 or less points this year? Every win is vital in a 13-week season.
This would be a great strategy in WCOFF with an 11-game season. [/QUOTE]John,
Where we fundamentally disagree on this issue is that you appear to feel (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that this strategy is somehow bad for the game, and that it's a negative determinant in assessing Fantasy Football skill. I don't feel that way at all, so we may just need to agree to disagree on this issue.
Who cares if it wasn't here when the NFFC started? Neither was the current scoring system, and other rules that are now in place that weren't there at the beginning and which have altered player strategies over the years. Listing those rules here is beyond the scope of this discussion.
Who cares if it's a by product of KDS? KDS is now a vital and unique aspect of the NFFC. We should all welcome the unique strategy opportunities that it generates. It's a level playing field, and everyone has the opportunity to incorporate it into their strategy or not.
And yes, if I can't have a top 3 or 4 pick I'd probably rather pick 12th or 13th to play the corners and get a better 3rd Rounder than avoid LT. C'mon, there are dozens of more important factors (injuries, team play, coaching, weather, free agent pickups, matchups, etc.) that will determine wins and losses which are more important than whether you have to face LT or not. In the main I beat the Owners of LT, Brady, Moss, and TO to win my League Championship this year.
It's actually ironic that in my posts with you I'm defending the right to use this strategy, and in my posts with Wayne I'm explaining why I don't tend to use it!
[/QUOTE]All I can say is wow... let me beat this into the ground further..lol
Everyone has to win so bad now, that the object of the game is to find and justify every nuance in the game that doesn't relate to why the game was invented in the first place..
Should winning the 100K be about who is best at finding every crack in the rules and manipulating them or be about who is the best at judging player talent?
None of those factors you listed gives you a significant chance of increasing your season win total by 10% before the draft starts. How many leagues this year were decided by one game or less?
I'm trying to nip this very small issue before someone actually wins $5k solely because of it. They could beat someone 104-102, the week LT is on bye and wind up with a prize they don't deserve, simply because of the NFFC schedule. What skill!!!
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by Shrink Attack:
My only point is this: Using the NFFC schedule is a valid strategy, it should be allowed, but it's value is overblown when considering my own drafting strategy.
Paul Was this strategy there when the NFFC started? no
Was it meant to be a strategy at all? no. It's a by product of implementing KDS.
Is it a strategy that really determines who the best FF owner is? no
It's there now and kudos to all that make it part of their strategy, but It was never meant to be part of the game.
You'd rather pick 12th or 13th than have ANY TOP RB or WR vs a BYE LT?
How many of your games were decided by 7 or less points this year? Every win is vital in a 13-week season.
This would be a great strategy in WCOFF with an 11-game season. [/QUOTE]John,
Where we fundamentally disagree on this issue is that you appear to feel (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that this strategy is somehow bad for the game, and that it's a negative determinant in assessing Fantasy Football skill. I don't feel that way at all, so we may just need to agree to disagree on this issue.
Who cares if it wasn't here when the NFFC started? Neither was the current scoring system, and other rules that are now in place that weren't there at the beginning and which have altered player strategies over the years. Listing those rules here is beyond the scope of this discussion.
Who cares if it's a by product of KDS? KDS is now a vital and unique aspect of the NFFC. We should all welcome the unique strategy opportunities that it generates. It's a level playing field, and everyone has the opportunity to incorporate it into their strategy or not.
And yes, if I can't have a top 3 or 4 pick I'd probably rather pick 12th or 13th to play the corners and get a better 3rd Rounder than avoid LT. C'mon, there are dozens of more important factors (injuries, team play, coaching, weather, free agent pickups, matchups, etc.) that will determine wins and losses which are more important than whether you have to face LT or not. In the main I beat the Owners of LT, Brady, Moss, and TO to win my League Championship this year.
It's actually ironic that in my posts with you I'm defending the right to use this strategy, and in my posts with Wayne I'm explaining why I don't tend to use it!
[/QUOTE]All I can say is wow... let me beat this into the ground further..lolEveryone has to win so bad now, that the object of the game is to find and justify every nuance in the game that doesn't relate to why the game was invented in the first place..
Should winning the 100K be about who is best at finding every crack in the rules and manipulating them or be about who is the best at judging player talent?
None of those factors you listed gives you a significant chance of increasing your season win total by 10% before the draft starts. How many leagues this year were decided by one game or less?
I'm trying to nip this very small issue before someone actually wins $5k solely because of it. They could beat someone 104-102, the week LT is on bye and wind up with a prize they don't deserve, simply because of the NFFC schedule. What skill!!!
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Originally posted by Ugly Yellow Tomatoes:
Any legal strategy that helps you win is a good strategy and part of the game. Heck ... if taking you wife out to dinner Wednesday night buys you extra free time to plan your FFAB ... it a good Strategy.
Maybe the others are right though ... and you ARE taking this draft strategy stuff too far Wayne?
BTW ... does ... "don't tap the glass" mean anything to you?
Ugly I agree, if it is legal, it is a good strategy.
I have already read "Burning Down the House" and am currently reading "Bustin Vegas".
Both are about the guys from MIT who took Vegas for millions by counting cards, etc. (in a nutshell).
These guys could cut a six deck shoe and know 95% of the time what card was there. They knew this because of tons of practice and they would look for dealers with small hands and they could see the card before they cut. Then they count out 56 cards (for example), knew an ace was coming and bet big.
Is that cheating? Well if you say it is, then taking the 10th pick in the draft to avoid LT certainly IS NOT.
Like Paul said (I think it was him), if you are going to place more strategy into picking 10th because of LT, than actual strategy of who you want, then more power to you.
Again, micromanaging IMO, but I certainly don't want to see John lose to the guy who avoided LT in 2008 and miss out on a playoff spot due to the "predetermined schedule".
On a scale of my preferences for rule changes next year, it rates about a 3 on a 1-10 (10 of course being highest).
[ December 29, 2007, 07:58 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]
Any legal strategy that helps you win is a good strategy and part of the game. Heck ... if taking you wife out to dinner Wednesday night buys you extra free time to plan your FFAB ... it a good Strategy.
Maybe the others are right though ... and you ARE taking this draft strategy stuff too far Wayne?
BTW ... does ... "don't tap the glass" mean anything to you?
Ugly I agree, if it is legal, it is a good strategy.
I have already read "Burning Down the House" and am currently reading "Bustin Vegas".
Both are about the guys from MIT who took Vegas for millions by counting cards, etc. (in a nutshell).
These guys could cut a six deck shoe and know 95% of the time what card was there. They knew this because of tons of practice and they would look for dealers with small hands and they could see the card before they cut. Then they count out 56 cards (for example), knew an ace was coming and bet big.
Is that cheating? Well if you say it is, then taking the 10th pick in the draft to avoid LT certainly IS NOT.
Like Paul said (I think it was him), if you are going to place more strategy into picking 10th because of LT, than actual strategy of who you want, then more power to you.
Again, micromanaging IMO, but I certainly don't want to see John lose to the guy who avoided LT in 2008 and miss out on a playoff spot due to the "predetermined schedule".
On a scale of my preferences for rule changes next year, it rates about a 3 on a 1-10 (10 of course being highest).
[ December 29, 2007, 07:58 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]
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Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by Shrink Attack:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by Shrink Attack:
My only point is this: Using the NFFC schedule is a valid strategy, it should be allowed, but it's value is overblown when considering my own drafting strategy.
Paul Was this strategy there when the NFFC started? no
Was it meant to be a strategy at all? no. It's a by product of implementing KDS.
Is it a strategy that really determines who the best FF owner is? no
It's there now and kudos to all that make it part of their strategy, but It was never meant to be part of the game.
You'd rather pick 12th or 13th than have ANY TOP RB or WR vs a BYE LT?
How many of your games were decided by 7 or less points this year? Every win is vital in a 13-week season.
This would be a great strategy in WCOFF with an 11-game season. [/QUOTE]John,
Where we fundamentally disagree on this issue is that you appear to feel (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that this strategy is somehow bad for the game, and that it's a negative determinant in assessing Fantasy Football skill. I don't feel that way at all, so we may just need to agree to disagree on this issue.
Who cares if it wasn't here when the NFFC started? Neither was the current scoring system, and other rules that are now in place that weren't there at the beginning and which have altered player strategies over the years. Listing those rules here is beyond the scope of this discussion.
Who cares if it's a by product of KDS? KDS is now a vital and unique aspect of the NFFC. We should all welcome the unique strategy opportunities that it generates. It's a level playing field, and everyone has the opportunity to incorporate it into their strategy or not.
And yes, if I can't have a top 3 or 4 pick I'd probably rather pick 12th or 13th to play the corners and get a better 3rd Rounder than avoid LT. C'mon, there are dozens of more important factors (injuries, team play, coaching, weather, free agent pickups, matchups, etc.) that will determine wins and losses which are more important than whether you have to face LT or not. In the main I beat the Owners of LT, Brady, Moss, and TO to win my League Championship this year.
It's actually ironic that in my posts with you I'm defending the right to use this strategy, and in my posts with Wayne I'm explaining why I don't tend to use it! [/QUOTE]All I can say is wow... let me beat this into the ground further..lol
Everyone has to win so bad now, that the object of the game is to find and justify every nuance in the game that doesn't relate to why the game was invented in the first place..
Should winning the 100K be about who is best at finding every crack in the rules and manipulating them or be about who is the best at judging player talent?
None of those factors you listed gives you a significant chance of increasing your season win total by 10% before the draft starts. How many leagues this year were decided by one game or less?
I'm trying to nip this very small issue before someone actually wins $5k solely because of it. They could beat someone 104-102, the week LT is on bye and wind up with a prize they don't deserve, simply because of the NFFC schedule. What skill!!! [/QUOTE]Well, at this point it's redundant. We just have a difference of opinion here, that's all.
Have a good New Year!
quote:Originally posted by Shrink Attack:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by Shrink Attack:
My only point is this: Using the NFFC schedule is a valid strategy, it should be allowed, but it's value is overblown when considering my own drafting strategy.
Paul Was this strategy there when the NFFC started? no
Was it meant to be a strategy at all? no. It's a by product of implementing KDS.
Is it a strategy that really determines who the best FF owner is? no
It's there now and kudos to all that make it part of their strategy, but It was never meant to be part of the game.
You'd rather pick 12th or 13th than have ANY TOP RB or WR vs a BYE LT?
How many of your games were decided by 7 or less points this year? Every win is vital in a 13-week season.
This would be a great strategy in WCOFF with an 11-game season. [/QUOTE]John,
Where we fundamentally disagree on this issue is that you appear to feel (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that this strategy is somehow bad for the game, and that it's a negative determinant in assessing Fantasy Football skill. I don't feel that way at all, so we may just need to agree to disagree on this issue.
Who cares if it wasn't here when the NFFC started? Neither was the current scoring system, and other rules that are now in place that weren't there at the beginning and which have altered player strategies over the years. Listing those rules here is beyond the scope of this discussion.
Who cares if it's a by product of KDS? KDS is now a vital and unique aspect of the NFFC. We should all welcome the unique strategy opportunities that it generates. It's a level playing field, and everyone has the opportunity to incorporate it into their strategy or not.
And yes, if I can't have a top 3 or 4 pick I'd probably rather pick 12th or 13th to play the corners and get a better 3rd Rounder than avoid LT. C'mon, there are dozens of more important factors (injuries, team play, coaching, weather, free agent pickups, matchups, etc.) that will determine wins and losses which are more important than whether you have to face LT or not. In the main I beat the Owners of LT, Brady, Moss, and TO to win my League Championship this year.
It's actually ironic that in my posts with you I'm defending the right to use this strategy, and in my posts with Wayne I'm explaining why I don't tend to use it!
[/QUOTE]All I can say is wow... let me beat this into the ground further..lolEveryone has to win so bad now, that the object of the game is to find and justify every nuance in the game that doesn't relate to why the game was invented in the first place..
Should winning the 100K be about who is best at finding every crack in the rules and manipulating them or be about who is the best at judging player talent?
None of those factors you listed gives you a significant chance of increasing your season win total by 10% before the draft starts. How many leagues this year were decided by one game or less?
I'm trying to nip this very small issue before someone actually wins $5k solely because of it. They could beat someone 104-102, the week LT is on bye and wind up with a prize they don't deserve, simply because of the NFFC schedule. What skill!!! [/QUOTE]Well, at this point it's redundant. We just have a difference of opinion here, that's all.
Have a good New Year!
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Bumping this up for Greg
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end of season auction tournament. we talked about it last year.
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Originally posted by weber:
end of season auction tournament. we talked about it last year. I think Greg said he'd be for this...I don't think it would be too hard to do this...
1-You'd have to pay the extra $50-$200 for the eligibility of the "Auction Jackpot".
2-STATS would have to be able to handle it.
end of season auction tournament. we talked about it last year. I think Greg said he'd be for this...I don't think it would be too hard to do this...
1-You'd have to pay the extra $50-$200 for the eligibility of the "Auction Jackpot".
2-STATS would have to be able to handle it.
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would be fun..
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Originally posted by King of Queens:
Bumping this up for Greg My good friend, you know I was deep into a baseball magazine when this thread went in many different directions. For a busy man, could you summarize this thread in bullet points for me?
I'd appreciate it.
Bumping this up for Greg My good friend, you know I was deep into a baseball magazine when this thread went in many different directions. For a busy man, could you summarize this thread in bullet points for me?
I'd appreciate it.Founder, National Fantasy Football Championship & National Fantasy Baseball Championship
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