FAAB: D.Ward $995

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:03 am

Originally posted by Route C:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Route C:
[qb] Jodicus......I really hope you're more calm about this today. I agree with Jules...the NFFC is an extended family and we cut each other some slack "within the rules" when it's the right thing to do.

You should know this since you benefitted from the understanding of ALL the other owners in the Snake Classic when you couldn't get logged in for the draft. We could've let the computer pick a crappy team for you but we respected your investment.

We respected it enough to postpone the draft by 20+ minutes. We called 4 people before reaching someone (my brother) who agreed to stand in for you. Picking right behind me he drafted you a helluva team (2nd most points week 1).

Do you know how easy it would've been for us to manipulate that situation...c'mon...he is my brother.

Instead the little jerk steals 2 players from me in the 1st 5 rounds.

I mention this as a reminder to you and and anyone else with questions of right/wrong doing in the NFFC...that this event is filled with people of integrity. It starts at the top and trickles down through it's members.

I know you are one of those members...a good guy and fierce competitor. Please realize the legitimacy of this honest mistake and let it go.

I know we'd do the same for you. VERY well said C.

“Common sense is the knack of seeing things as they are, and doing things as they ought to be done.” C.E. Stowe

Q

williamhare · Post by **williamhare** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:13 am

The FAAB software program seems to have adequate redundancies built in.I'll assume human error...

As a contest with over 350 people vying for a large prize, every player/owner should be treated
equally. Everyone's first question seems to be "who did it". Immaterial. 100% immaterial, regardless of vouchers and vouching for the vouchers, or rookie vs a long-time client. The
ruling should be "let the play stand". Smith OUT.
Just a clear business decision IMO.... even if it sets a new precedent. It is forced to be so
because a Blue_Foot-type will always be in an event this large.... and Greg/Krause must build protections to guard this nice little asset they've worked so hard to create.

However, if this happened in my league I would PERSONALLY have no problem with an overturn. Must also add that , if I was the individual that committed the "human error" I would accept my mistake and bust my butt to win my league with a new WR1. And I'm fully serious. How can one owner ask for something that the the other 350 did not seek, even it all was non-manipulative? FAAB in weeks 2-13 would see an
exponential rise in queries that would no doubt harm this contest.
Just my objective opinion here. I feel bad for Greg having to make the call and believe much of this thread is total b.s.. Once the phrases "good 'ole boys" and "team mates" and
"legal action" come into play a defensive posture has to be taken. Wish this had not occurred. Good luck Greg. No criticism from me
going forward either way. I just thought that emotions were dividing the ranks here. I'll side with GLY and some others despite BF's pain-in -the a$$ personna because it is best for NFFC.
And certainly Mr. Dunn is probably an upstanding guy that just made an error.
HMan83

mkrucek · Post by **mkrucek** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:16 am

I wonder if the team that bid $901 on Randle El really meant $91 and the extra 0 just got tossed in? Human error, should that be fixed?

Raiders · Post by **Raiders** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:19 am

Originally posted by 4D:
I wonder if the team that bid $901 on Randle El really meant $91 and the extra 0 just got tossed in? Human error, should that be fixed? Yep, it should be. But that was a computer mess up.

DIESEL02 · Post by **DIESEL02** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:22 am

All drops are also subject to review by the commissioner of the NFFC and can be revoked if the dropped player is deemed too valuable to be offered to that league's free agent pool, thus damaging the credibility of the overall contest. In the case of a "star" player being dropped in a league for a valid reason, the NFFC commissioner does reserve the right to allow the cut but keep the player out of that league's free agent listing for any length of time, possibly the entire season. All decisions by the NFFC commissioner will be final.

What's a valid reason for dropping Steve Smith ? I thought the only reason for dropping a star player would be a season ending injury or suspension.

Any other reason would be a matter of collusion to help another owner. My feeling is if he was injured or suspended that would make sense on why the player was dropped if not that player was dropped by human or computer error.

Does it really make a difference , was anyone able to gain an advantage ? If that owner e-mailed Greg immediately to let him know that the drop was a mistake that should be good enough to put him back on his/her team.

Sometimes logic and common sense have to come to the forefront.

[ September 15, 2007, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: Baggler ]

wayne123 · Post by **wayne123** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:58 am

Originally posted by RedRyder:
quote:Originally posted by Blue_Foot:
Many thanks to those willing to stand against the "Chum, Chum, family". Here is my opinion of what has occurred. These are not competitors, they are a team! I played poker against them and they did the same thing. Wayne, it certainly sounds from the above post that you are accussing several memebers of LV2 of collusion. And to bring in the off-season WCOFF bi-weekly poker tourney is nuts. Who else in LV2, besides myself, did you play against in the tourneys? What happened at the poker table was nothing, yet YOU chose to make a mountain out of a mole hill. YOU even e-mailed all the players afterwards adn apologized for your behavior (obviously an empty apology). In fact, at the draft a few weeks back, YOU personally came up to me and apologized again about the poker thing (and again, obviuosly an empty apology). Honestly, I didn't think ANYTHING of the poker thing when it happen and was caught off guard by your attacks on the other players, I thought you were joking.

Calling the intergrity of ANYONE in LV2 into question over this is out and out wrong. Don't make it personal. Fine to have your take and JUDGEMENT on the incident, but leave the personal attacks on the sideline, it's no fun to have to come on the boards and see you've been accused of collusion.

-Cheerio & Chum Chum [/QUOTE]I was just being polite. I saw no advantage in continuing to harbor bad feelings so I tried my best to keep the others in the poker senerio sedated with my retractions. I will remember not to make that mistake again. It is clear that civility is not understood by some around here. I have been taught to apologize when it is no longer suitable to have a confrontation. Its just my way...please don't confuse this with any sort of retraction of my original stance. I am sorry that we have had a dispute and that feelings get hurt. I am not sorry that I blew the whistle in poker or here!!!!

Raiders · Post by **Raiders** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:02 am

So does S.Smith go back to Desert Fog?
Because week 2, does not have S.Smith on roster but C.Henry is there.

wayne123 · Post by **wayne123** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:03 am

Originally posted by Diesel:
Agreed. Once this decision is made, it should be more definitive on how it will be handled.

I honestly think it's a human error. Not computer error. I've never had a mistake before, and I always check the pickups before I leave the waiver wire page to make sure it is what it is...

My opinion is to give him the player back. Not because we're being lenient, but because we have to keep the integrity of the game. That asterisk in that league, if Steve Smith were frozen, is going to pi$$ off a LOT of people when prizes are given out, and people notice the standings, and if THIS DECISION affected their wallet. No! Completely wrong! Not giving the player back ONLY effects one team regarding points. And points are the most important element in the overall winner of this game. Giving the player back adversly effects everone else who is not on the "Chum Chum Team" of owners!

wayne123 · Post by **wayne123** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:13 am

Originally posted by Route C:
quote:Originally posted by Route C:
Jodicus......I really hope you're more calm about this today. I agree with Jules...the NFFC is an extended family and we cut each other some slack "within the rules" when it's the right thing to do.

You should know this since you benefitted from the understanding of ALL the other owners in the Snake Classic when you couldn't get logged in for the draft. We could've let the computer pick a crappy team for you but we respected your investment.

We respected it enough to postpone the draft by 20+ minutes. We called 4 people before reaching someone (my brother) who agreed to stand in for you. Picking right behind me he drafted you a helluva team (2nd most points week 1).

Do you know how easy it would've been for us to manipulate that situation...c'mon...he is my brother.

Instead the little jerk steals 2 players from me in the 1st 5 rounds.

I mention this as a reminder to you and and anyone else with questions of right/wrong doing in the NFFC...that this event is filled with people of integrity. It starts at the top and trickles down through it's members.

I know you are one of those members...a good guy and fierce competitor. Please realize the legitimacy of this honest mistake and let it go.

I know we'd do the same for you. BTW...just so the whole MB community is aware of this fact: Rich Dunn was among those who chose to extend a friendly helping hand to Blue when this draft situation arose.

No one...and I mean NO ONE suggested throwing him under the bus.

I wonder why Blue never responded to this post the 1st time I sent it!

It's easier to ignore the truth than face it sometimes.

[/QUOTE]OK, fine...I will address this. First, it is a seperate issue altogether. Second, I was the one who did the league a favor by accepting the team after the first five rounds of the draft without causing a fuss. Again, I was being polite. I would have done so regardless of the first players selected for me. If I say "thank you" to the person who drafted the players, it does not mean that I owe anyone anything! I promised that I could play. I ran into trouble with the hotel server not allowing the MDC site. I did everything I could to participate. I accepted the leagues solution. I didn't complain about the picks that were made for me. I assured Snake that the results were OK with me. And, I was polite and will continue to be....thank you and your brother for making the best picks that you could for my Snake Classic Team! But, this in no way has any bearing whatsoever in this situation!

wayne123 · Post by **wayne123** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:17 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:
quote:Originally posted by Blue_Foot:
quote:Originally posted by RedRyder:
I certainly hope Steve Smith (CAR) is allowed back on Desert Fog. It certainly is a tough situation and a tough call for Greg. But I gotta believe it was a BIG mistake. Without Steve Smith on his roster, I would say Dunn is done. Hell of a way to end your fantasy season before it starts.

Also, I think it would take away from the legitamacy of LV2 to have his team crippled like that. I for one want to know I went against every team at full strength (to the best of their ability). This is really fishy! I'm not letting this one go either! If the NFFC lets this happen (Smith returned), I will consider the league a "Good O'Le Boys" Vegas Scam. My next 1300 dollars will go to a lawyer!!!! [/QUOTE]We're ALL out to get ya Blue Foot ! Haven't you figured that out by now ?? :rolleyes: Even your cat is in on it :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Q [/QUOTE]That was awsome...LMAO!!!! And you are right, of course!