Originally posted by Coltsfan:
quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:
A big way to grow DC's would be to get the live scoring accurate. I know this has been discussed in other threads, still I think it's an important component to the enjoyment factor for these leagues. I agree 100% with this. In fact, I'll be picking where I play my DC's based on having live scoring. It zaps a lot of the fun out of DC's when you don't know how you're doing until a day or two after the games are over.
Wayne [/QUOTE]This is a bigger issue for me. Last year was a terrible experience in the d/c with the lack of any scoring functions even though I finished second. I would vote for higher league payouts especially if we make them retroactive.
Seriously, I would prefer higher league payouts and no overall championship.
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I'm with Jules here. I like the stand-alone leagues. The less you take from the league prize fund for an overall payout the more inclined I am to play.
I will be skipping the MEs most likely for this reason and focusing on the "niche" DCs. A Super Satellite is interesting to me!
I will be skipping the MEs most likely for this reason and focusing on the "niche" DCs. A Super Satellite is interesting to me!
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Originally posted by BillyWaz:
Mike,
I imagine the reason Greg wants the overall to be higher is because THAT is what is going to attract new business. He knows that the "regulars" are going to jump in no matter what, and he is probably trying to drum up more new business.
I understand you and Greg are convinced it's the overall prize that attracts new business. I just don't understand why you both think that this is a fact for the NFFC DCs'.
FACT ... 10k didn't attract a ton of new business last year. How do you explain this? If 5K is such a powerfull draw, why not have the classic main event pay 5K instead of 100K and put the rest of the money into leagues.
The second point that the "regulars" are going to jump in no matter what is also false. Both Jules and myself have already stated that we are monitoring the situation. You can't be any more regular than us and I would definitely consider jumping out if the league setup poorly again this year. I work hard for my money and the NFFC needs to continue to earn my business. I am sure Greg understands this, not sure why this concept evades you.
Originally posted by BillyWaz:
And yes, you can have it both ways if they have enough leagues. Wow ... you sound like a liberal (More government services and lower taxes).
Again more money to the league payouts and higher overall prizes is a contradiction in itself.
Although to be fair, under my overall payout proposal would pay a cool Million for first if there were 5000 leagues. So I advocate higher league payouts and an overall $1,000,000.00 for first prize of which very little comes out of the league prize money (assuming 5000 leagues). Now we are both using fuzzy math.
UGLY
Mike,
I imagine the reason Greg wants the overall to be higher is because THAT is what is going to attract new business. He knows that the "regulars" are going to jump in no matter what, and he is probably trying to drum up more new business.
I understand you and Greg are convinced it's the overall prize that attracts new business. I just don't understand why you both think that this is a fact for the NFFC DCs'.
FACT ... 10k didn't attract a ton of new business last year. How do you explain this? If 5K is such a powerfull draw, why not have the classic main event pay 5K instead of 100K and put the rest of the money into leagues.
The second point that the "regulars" are going to jump in no matter what is also false. Both Jules and myself have already stated that we are monitoring the situation. You can't be any more regular than us and I would definitely consider jumping out if the league setup poorly again this year. I work hard for my money and the NFFC needs to continue to earn my business. I am sure Greg understands this, not sure why this concept evades you.
Originally posted by BillyWaz:
And yes, you can have it both ways if they have enough leagues. Wow ... you sound like a liberal (More government services and lower taxes).
Again more money to the league payouts and higher overall prizes is a contradiction in itself.
Although to be fair, under my overall payout proposal would pay a cool Million for first if there were 5000 leagues. So I advocate higher league payouts and an overall $1,000,000.00 for first prize of which very little comes out of the league prize money (assuming 5000 leagues). Now we are both using fuzzy math.
UGLY
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Originally posted by Just Russ:
I'm with Jules here. I like the stand-alone leagues. The less you take from the league prize fund for an overall payout the more inclined I am to play.
I will be skipping the MEs most likely for this reason and focusing on the "niche" DCs. A Super Satellite is interesting to me! Ditto
I'm with Jules here. I like the stand-alone leagues. The less you take from the league prize fund for an overall payout the more inclined I am to play.
I will be skipping the MEs most likely for this reason and focusing on the "niche" DCs. A Super Satellite is interesting to me! Ditto
Hakuna Matata!
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As one that loves the DC format, I also go for ROI based solely on the league structure. I historically have accepted the lesser % that all contests ME leagues provide, but with DCs I no longer accept that. It's why the NFFC only saw my DC business last year in the SATs.
On a seperate note, it is imperative you get the scoring active this year Greg as it sucked all fun out of the DCs by having to just get a weekly update on Tuesday. Although we may not have to actively manage during the season, it is fun to see where you are in relation to your competitors and who has what left heading into each set of NFL games throughout Sunday and Monday.
On a seperate note, it is imperative you get the scoring active this year Greg as it sucked all fun out of the DCs by having to just get a weekly update on Tuesday. Although we may not have to actively manage during the season, it is fun to see where you are in relation to your competitors and who has what left heading into each set of NFL games throughout Sunday and Monday.
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Greg, I agree with the others that the league payout is more important than the overall prize (although last year I was glad the consolation prize was available for the Classic). Obviously, the overall prize will need to be larger than the individual first place league prize to entice most players. But my vote would be to try and put a little more prize money into each respective league fund and keep the 1st place overall prizes the same and decrease the remaining overall prizes.
If you are doing an Auction in Friday this year in Vegas sign me up. Will it be the same price point it was last year, i.e. $825 or $850? To me the auction drafts seem like one of the best ROIs that the NFFC offers, which is what Jules referred to.
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If you are doing an Auction in Friday this year in Vegas sign me up. Will it be the same price point it was last year, i.e. $825 or $850? To me the auction drafts seem like one of the best ROIs that the NFFC offers, which is what Jules referred to.
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Originally posted by Very Ugly Yellow Tomatoes:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
Mike,
I imagine the reason Greg wants the overall to be higher is because THAT is what is going to attract new business. He knows that the "regulars" are going to jump in no matter what, and he is probably trying to drum up more new business.
I understand you and Greg are convinced it's the overall prize that attracts new business. I just don't understand why you both think that this is a fact for the NFFC DCs'.
FACT ... 10k didn't attract a ton of new business last year. How do you explain this? If 5K is such a powerfull draw, why not have the classic main event pay 5K instead of 100K and put the rest of the money into leagues.
The second point that the "regulars" are going to jump in no matter what is also false. Both Jules and myself have already stated that we are monitoring the situation. You can't be any more regular than us and I would definitely consider jumping out if the league setup poorly again this year. I work hard for my money and the NFFC needs to continue to earn my business. I am sure Greg understands this, not sure why this concept evades you.
Originally posted by BillyWaz:
And yes, you can have it both ways if they have enough leagues. Wow ... you sound like a liberal (More government services and lower taxes).
Again more money to the league payouts and higher overall prizes is a contradiction in itself.
Although to be fair, under my overall payout proposal would pay a cool Million for first if there were 5000 leagues. So I advocate higher league payouts and an overall $1,000,000.00 for first prize of which very little comes out of the league prize money (assuming 5000 leagues). Now we are both using fuzzy math.
UGLY [/QUOTE]Mike,
I imagine the reason Greg wants the overall to be higher is because THAT is what is going to attract new business. He knows that the "regulars" are going to jump in no matter what, and he is probably trying to drum up more new business.
[/qb][/QUOTE]I understand you and Greg are convinced it's the overall prize that attracts new business. I just don't understand why you both think that this is a fact for the NFFC DCs'.
FACT ... 10k didn't attract a ton of new business last year. How do you explain this? If 5K is such a powerfull draw, why not have the classic main event pay 5K instead of 100K and put the rest of the money into leagues.
The second point that the "regulars" are going to jump in no matter what is also false. Both Jules and myself have already stated that we are monitoring the situation. You can't be any more regular than us and I would definitely consider jumping out if the league setup poorly again this year. I work hard for my money and the NFFC needs to continue to earn my business. I am sure Greg understands this, not sure why this concept evades you.
Originally posted by BillyWaz:
And yes, you can have it both ways if they have enough leagues. Wow ... you sound like a liberal (More government services and lower taxes).
Again more money to the league payouts and higher overall prizes is a contradiction in itself.
Although to be fair, under my overall payout proposal would pay a cool Million for first if there were 5000 leagues. So I advocate higher league payouts and an overall $1,000,000.00 for first prize of which very little comes out of the league prize money (assuming 5000 leagues). Now we are both using fuzzy math.
UGLY [/QB][/quote]
Mike,
You are obviously a lot more passionate than me on this, as for me it is more about the "action".
And again, I AM in favor of paying more to the league, and I WOULD be in favor of going back to the "old way" where there was no overall championship and ALL the money went back to the 14 people.
However, it is obvious that Greg and Tom want an overall championship and I just feel if that is going to happen, you need to make an overall prize "something" worth playing for.
As for the "10K couldn't attract enough people" statement, that is true. However, I think there were MANY people (both public about it and private) that never wanted to play due to Fanball. Fanball had a HORRIBLE reputation with customer service, their website, etc. BEFORE THE MERGER and I think it may have turned a lot of people off before the start. Also, there is another contest which will potentially lose a bunch of customers, and they are going to be looking somewhere to play. In a nutshell, I think they get more than 4 leagues this year due to everything above.
Greg's proposed league payouts on the first page are as follows......
1st- $4200 (up $600 from last year)
2nd- $2100 (up $300 from last year)
3rd- $1000 (up $100 from last year)
If you played last year under the smaller league prizes with Fanball and no live scoring (both should be much improved), I don't think for a minute you won't be back under Greg's proposed payouts.
You and Darryl are too good of players in this format to pass this up.
[ April 10, 2011, 07:31 AM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
Mike,
I imagine the reason Greg wants the overall to be higher is because THAT is what is going to attract new business. He knows that the "regulars" are going to jump in no matter what, and he is probably trying to drum up more new business.
I understand you and Greg are convinced it's the overall prize that attracts new business. I just don't understand why you both think that this is a fact for the NFFC DCs'.
FACT ... 10k didn't attract a ton of new business last year. How do you explain this? If 5K is such a powerfull draw, why not have the classic main event pay 5K instead of 100K and put the rest of the money into leagues.
The second point that the "regulars" are going to jump in no matter what is also false. Both Jules and myself have already stated that we are monitoring the situation. You can't be any more regular than us and I would definitely consider jumping out if the league setup poorly again this year. I work hard for my money and the NFFC needs to continue to earn my business. I am sure Greg understands this, not sure why this concept evades you.
Originally posted by BillyWaz:
And yes, you can have it both ways if they have enough leagues. Wow ... you sound like a liberal (More government services and lower taxes).
Again more money to the league payouts and higher overall prizes is a contradiction in itself.
Although to be fair, under my overall payout proposal would pay a cool Million for first if there were 5000 leagues. So I advocate higher league payouts and an overall $1,000,000.00 for first prize of which very little comes out of the league prize money (assuming 5000 leagues). Now we are both using fuzzy math.
UGLY [/QUOTE]Mike,
I imagine the reason Greg wants the overall to be higher is because THAT is what is going to attract new business. He knows that the "regulars" are going to jump in no matter what, and he is probably trying to drum up more new business.
[/qb][/QUOTE]I understand you and Greg are convinced it's the overall prize that attracts new business. I just don't understand why you both think that this is a fact for the NFFC DCs'.
FACT ... 10k didn't attract a ton of new business last year. How do you explain this? If 5K is such a powerfull draw, why not have the classic main event pay 5K instead of 100K and put the rest of the money into leagues.
The second point that the "regulars" are going to jump in no matter what is also false. Both Jules and myself have already stated that we are monitoring the situation. You can't be any more regular than us and I would definitely consider jumping out if the league setup poorly again this year. I work hard for my money and the NFFC needs to continue to earn my business. I am sure Greg understands this, not sure why this concept evades you.
Originally posted by BillyWaz:
And yes, you can have it both ways if they have enough leagues. Wow ... you sound like a liberal (More government services and lower taxes).
Again more money to the league payouts and higher overall prizes is a contradiction in itself.
Although to be fair, under my overall payout proposal would pay a cool Million for first if there were 5000 leagues. So I advocate higher league payouts and an overall $1,000,000.00 for first prize of which very little comes out of the league prize money (assuming 5000 leagues). Now we are both using fuzzy math.
UGLY [/QB][/quote]
Mike,
You are obviously a lot more passionate than me on this, as for me it is more about the "action".
And again, I AM in favor of paying more to the league, and I WOULD be in favor of going back to the "old way" where there was no overall championship and ALL the money went back to the 14 people.
However, it is obvious that Greg and Tom want an overall championship and I just feel if that is going to happen, you need to make an overall prize "something" worth playing for.
As for the "10K couldn't attract enough people" statement, that is true. However, I think there were MANY people (both public about it and private) that never wanted to play due to Fanball. Fanball had a HORRIBLE reputation with customer service, their website, etc. BEFORE THE MERGER and I think it may have turned a lot of people off before the start. Also, there is another contest which will potentially lose a bunch of customers, and they are going to be looking somewhere to play. In a nutshell, I think they get more than 4 leagues this year due to everything above.
Greg's proposed league payouts on the first page are as follows......
1st- $4200 (up $600 from last year)
2nd- $2100 (up $300 from last year)
3rd- $1000 (up $100 from last year)
If you played last year under the smaller league prizes with Fanball and no live scoring (both should be much improved), I don't think for a minute you won't be back under Greg's proposed payouts.
You and Darryl are too good of players in this format to pass this up.
[ April 10, 2011, 07:31 AM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]
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I do not believe that every format needs a Championship to succeed and think that offering them as such hurts enrollment.
The two main events plus the online championship provide more than enough opportunities to win big time money and they are your feature events.
The Auction and DC drafts are there to supplement the draft experience and provide a greater variety for the drafters.
I think these supplemental events should go off as stand alone drafts without a Championship Prize pool unless you adopt the concept defined below.
The other alternative is to offer the contestants a chance to add a "buy-in" to go to any Championship prizes. The league payouts would be locked in and players would get the choice to contribute to the Championship monies by adding a defined fee. The Championship prize money and payouts would be defined in a chart that would change based on the number of individuals who chose to play for the Overall Championship.
My suggestion would be to offer this "buy-in" at a a price point between $150 and $250 per team and have 100% of it paid back to the Champions based on the sliding scale. Each "buy-in" would increase that prize pool and as the number of players joining increases, so would the number of payouts.
This concept answers to every issue discussed ont his topic.
ROI is high for the league prizes.
The individuals who want to put their DC or Auctions teams up vs others get a chance to do so without hurting the league payouts.
Seems like a Win-Win?
The two main events plus the online championship provide more than enough opportunities to win big time money and they are your feature events.
The Auction and DC drafts are there to supplement the draft experience and provide a greater variety for the drafters.
I think these supplemental events should go off as stand alone drafts without a Championship Prize pool unless you adopt the concept defined below.
The other alternative is to offer the contestants a chance to add a "buy-in" to go to any Championship prizes. The league payouts would be locked in and players would get the choice to contribute to the Championship monies by adding a defined fee. The Championship prize money and payouts would be defined in a chart that would change based on the number of individuals who chose to play for the Overall Championship.
My suggestion would be to offer this "buy-in" at a a price point between $150 and $250 per team and have 100% of it paid back to the Champions based on the sliding scale. Each "buy-in" would increase that prize pool and as the number of players joining increases, so would the number of payouts.
This concept answers to every issue discussed ont his topic.
ROI is high for the league prizes.
The individuals who want to put their DC or Auctions teams up vs others get a chance to do so without hurting the league payouts.
Seems like a Win-Win?
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Originally posted by Silver and Black:
I do not believe that every format needs a Championship to succeed and think that offering them as such hurts enrollment.
The two main events plus the online championship provide more than enough opportunities to win big time money and they are your feature events.
The Auction and DC drafts are there to supplement the draft experience and provide a greater variety for the drafters.
I think these supplemental events should go off as stand alone drafts without a Championship Prize pool unless you adopt the concept defined below.
The other alternative is to offer the contestants a chance to add a "buy-in" to go to any Championship prizes. The league payouts would be locked in and players would get the choice to contribute to the Championship monies by adding a defined fee. The Championship prize money and payouts would be defined in a chart that would change based on the number of individuals who chose to play for the Overall Championship.
My suggestion would be to offer this "buy-in" at a a price point between $150 and $250 per team and have 100% of it paid back to the Champions based on the sliding scale. Each "buy-in" would increase that prize pool and as the number of players joining increases, so would the number of payouts.
This concept answers to every issue discussed ont his topic.
ROI is high for the league prizes.
The individuals who want to put their DC or Auctions teams up vs others get a chance to do so without hurting the league payouts.
Seems like a Win-Win? Good post Rob, as I pretty much agree with all of it.
As I said above, I too would love to see these leagues "sit alone". I just think Greg and Tom want to take it a different direction.
Paying more $$$ to the leagues than last year, live scoring, and NO Fanball (STATS baby! ) is enough for me to come back.
The rest is simply "gravy" IMO.
I do not believe that every format needs a Championship to succeed and think that offering them as such hurts enrollment.
The two main events plus the online championship provide more than enough opportunities to win big time money and they are your feature events.
The Auction and DC drafts are there to supplement the draft experience and provide a greater variety for the drafters.
I think these supplemental events should go off as stand alone drafts without a Championship Prize pool unless you adopt the concept defined below.
The other alternative is to offer the contestants a chance to add a "buy-in" to go to any Championship prizes. The league payouts would be locked in and players would get the choice to contribute to the Championship monies by adding a defined fee. The Championship prize money and payouts would be defined in a chart that would change based on the number of individuals who chose to play for the Overall Championship.
My suggestion would be to offer this "buy-in" at a a price point between $150 and $250 per team and have 100% of it paid back to the Champions based on the sliding scale. Each "buy-in" would increase that prize pool and as the number of players joining increases, so would the number of payouts.
This concept answers to every issue discussed ont his topic.
ROI is high for the league prizes.
The individuals who want to put their DC or Auctions teams up vs others get a chance to do so without hurting the league payouts.
Seems like a Win-Win? Good post Rob, as I pretty much agree with all of it.
As I said above, I too would love to see these leagues "sit alone". I just think Greg and Tom want to take it a different direction.
Paying more $$$ to the leagues than last year, live scoring, and NO Fanball (STATS baby!
) is enough for me to come back.The rest is simply "gravy" IMO.
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Note: If I do not get an assurance that the DCs will have live scoring that is accurate and timely, I won't play in any of them. I know Stats will fix this but as others have said in this thread, these were brutal to try and watch last year. I didn't even try and keep up with them and it took all of the fun out of watching my numerous teams suck.
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