Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Out of curiosity...could someone post the rosters of all these quitters? There must be plenty to choose from since this is such a big problem.
These quitters MUST have some killer rosters and even more killer bench players if auto-setting their lineup or offering prizes will make them challenge for weekly winner and take down the top teams they face late in the season.
Please post all these quitters rosters so I can either agree with you or laugh out loud. You'll laugh. The quitters excuse is used by teams that are in third or fourth place and need lot's of help to do something. When they don't get it ... they want to blame someone else.
Here's a tip. BE IN FIRST PLACE AFTER WEEK 11 and quitters won't matter much. just a thought.
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Hakuna Matata!
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Originally posted by GK:
I never said he was a quitter, John.
Maybe he remained active in Week 9 with FAAB, then after that knew his wife was due soon, and said "screw it" for the rest of the year? [/QB][/quote]
...he's a quitter then as your second paragraph here states so, no?...GK [/QB][/quote]
I was saying I never came out and said he was a quitter (using that term), Glenn.
But yes......if it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
I never said he was a quitter, John.
Maybe he remained active in Week 9 with FAAB, then after that knew his wife was due soon, and said "screw it" for the rest of the year? [/QB][/quote]
...he's a quitter then as your second paragraph here states so, no?...GK [/QB][/quote]
I was saying I never came out and said he was a quitter (using that term), Glenn.
But yes......if it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
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sportsbettingman,
What is your motivation to allow owners who quit in a high stakes fantasy football event the opportunity to negatively impact the competitive integrity, and ultimately, the overall experience for other participants in the league?
Why do you seem so intent on making sure this practice doesn't get interupted or addressed? I am curious. I ask with complete sincerity and hope you can answer without something sarcastic or off-topic... I just wonder why you seem so passionate about making sure no conversation about intervention regarding teams who quit. I have never met someone who thinks it is important to make sure this doesn't get addressed. Wondering why.
[ November 24, 2009, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: Renman ]
What is your motivation to allow owners who quit in a high stakes fantasy football event the opportunity to negatively impact the competitive integrity, and ultimately, the overall experience for other participants in the league?
Why do you seem so intent on making sure this practice doesn't get interupted or addressed? I am curious. I ask with complete sincerity and hope you can answer without something sarcastic or off-topic... I just wonder why you seem so passionate about making sure no conversation about intervention regarding teams who quit. I have never met someone who thinks it is important to make sure this doesn't get addressed. Wondering why.
[ November 24, 2009, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: Renman ]
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Here's one for ya Lance:
minnesota azkickers 80.05
QB Jay Cutler 16.65
RB LaDainian Tomlinson 13.3
RB Ronnie Brown 0
WR Lee Evans 2.5
WR Kenny Britt 14.2
WR Brandon Marshall 5.6
TE Dallas Clark 7.3
DST Minnesota DST 10
K Ryan Longwell 5
FL Bobby Wade 5.5
This guy started R Brown this week - he put 140+ last week, but decided to start an IR player this week against a top team.
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Here's another Lance, from the team I called out several weeks ago for quitting, Team Sax. After handing a win to a top team one week, he started playing again and put up 140+ in consecutive weeks.
Team Sax
QB Drew Brees
RB Ryan Grant
RB Matt Forte
WR Terrell Owens
WR Steve Breaston
WR Devery Henderson
TE Tony Gonzalez
DST New York (N) DST
K Neil Rackers
WR/RB/TE Marshawn Lynch
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Here is the last place team in my main event league who beat me this week, didn't quit and certainly could contend for a weekly prize ...
Jillian 149.45
QB Kurt Warner
RB Brandon Jacobs
RB Matt Forte
WR Terrell Owens
WR Roy Williams
WR Steve Breaston
TE Tony Gonzalez
DST New York (A) DST
K Stephen Gostkowski
WR/RB/TE Ricky Williams
... he also has Massaquioi (22.5 pts), Mendenhall (19.6) and E Manning (36.1) on the bench!
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And finally, below is the team who handed a win to a now 8-3 team in my Primetime lge while leaving 50+ marginal pts on the bench and losing by single digits.
'Team Kraus' 120.85
QB Philip Rivers 13.25
RB Thomas Jones 10.3
RB Steven Jackson 18.6
WR Larry Fitzgerald 22.7
WR Austin Collie 2.2
WR Braylon Edwards 2
TE Vernon Davis 22.8
DST San Francisco DST 2
K Mason Crosby 12
WR/RB/TE Robert Meachem 15
BENCH
Brett Favre 34.65
Mario Manningham 18.6
Laurence Maroney 18.7
Now in this last case, I don't think Ron quit on this team at all, but with some prize money motivation I'd bet he gives this lineup more thought and probably starts Favre in a great matchup instead of Rivers who had a bad matchup, and/or Manningham/Maroney over several of his underachieving WRs. He had 170+ potential with the right lineup this week.
[ November 24, 2009, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
minnesota azkickers 80.05
QB Jay Cutler 16.65
RB LaDainian Tomlinson 13.3
RB Ronnie Brown 0
WR Lee Evans 2.5
WR Kenny Britt 14.2
WR Brandon Marshall 5.6
TE Dallas Clark 7.3
DST Minnesota DST 10
K Ryan Longwell 5
FL Bobby Wade 5.5
This guy started R Brown this week - he put 140+ last week, but decided to start an IR player this week against a top team.
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Here's another Lance, from the team I called out several weeks ago for quitting, Team Sax. After handing a win to a top team one week, he started playing again and put up 140+ in consecutive weeks.
Team Sax
QB Drew Brees
RB Ryan Grant
RB Matt Forte
WR Terrell Owens
WR Steve Breaston
WR Devery Henderson
TE Tony Gonzalez
DST New York (N) DST
K Neil Rackers
WR/RB/TE Marshawn Lynch
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Here is the last place team in my main event league who beat me this week, didn't quit and certainly could contend for a weekly prize ...
Jillian 149.45
QB Kurt Warner
RB Brandon Jacobs
RB Matt Forte
WR Terrell Owens
WR Roy Williams
WR Steve Breaston
TE Tony Gonzalez
DST New York (A) DST
K Stephen Gostkowski
WR/RB/TE Ricky Williams
... he also has Massaquioi (22.5 pts), Mendenhall (19.6) and E Manning (36.1) on the bench!
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And finally, below is the team who handed a win to a now 8-3 team in my Primetime lge while leaving 50+ marginal pts on the bench and losing by single digits.
'Team Kraus' 120.85
QB Philip Rivers 13.25
RB Thomas Jones 10.3
RB Steven Jackson 18.6
WR Larry Fitzgerald 22.7
WR Austin Collie 2.2
WR Braylon Edwards 2
TE Vernon Davis 22.8
DST San Francisco DST 2
K Mason Crosby 12
WR/RB/TE Robert Meachem 15
BENCH
Brett Favre 34.65
Mario Manningham 18.6
Laurence Maroney 18.7
Now in this last case, I don't think Ron quit on this team at all, but with some prize money motivation I'd bet he gives this lineup more thought and probably starts Favre in a great matchup instead of Rivers who had a bad matchup, and/or Manningham/Maroney over several of his underachieving WRs. He had 170+ potential with the right lineup this week.
[ November 24, 2009, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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Originally posted by Renman:
sportsbettingman,
What is your motivation to allow owners who quit in a high stakes fantasy football event I'll field these:
Because it's their team and they don't HAVE to finish the season to make "Renman" happy. I don't believe you can MAKE THEM either
Originally posted by Renman:
sportsbettingman,
opportunity to negatively impact the competitive integrity, and ultimately, the overall experience for other participants in the league?
Why do you seem so intent on making sure this practice doesn't get interupted or addressed? I am curious. This is opinion and pure speculation from one perspective. There are other perspectives to consider. Also, Doesn't he have the right to a different opinion? Why are YOU so intent on making sure this does get addressed? Why are you assuming your ALWAYS RIGHT?
Just a thought
sportsbettingman,
What is your motivation to allow owners who quit in a high stakes fantasy football event I'll field these:
Because it's their team and they don't HAVE to finish the season to make "Renman" happy. I don't believe you can MAKE THEM either
Originally posted by Renman:
sportsbettingman,
opportunity to negatively impact the competitive integrity, and ultimately, the overall experience for other participants in the league?
Why do you seem so intent on making sure this practice doesn't get interupted or addressed? I am curious. This is opinion and pure speculation from one perspective. There are other perspectives to consider. Also, Doesn't he have the right to a different opinion? Why are YOU so intent on making sure this does get addressed? Why are you assuming your ALWAYS RIGHT?
Just a thought
Hakuna Matata!
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Originally posted by Ugly Yellow Tomatoes:
quote:Originally posted by Renman:
sportsbettingman,
What is your motivation to allow owners who quit in a high stakes fantasy football event I'll field these:
Because it's their team and they don't HAVE to finish the season to make "Renman" happy. I don't believe you can MAKE THEM either
Originally posted by Renman:
sportsbettingman,
opportunity to negatively impact the competitive integrity, and ultimately, the overall experience for other participants in the league?
Why do you seem so intent on making sure this practice doesn't get interupted or addressed? I am curious. This is opinion and pure speculation from one perspective. There are other perspectives to consider. Also, Doesn't he have the right to a different opinion? Why are YOU so intent on making sure this does get addressed? Why are you assuming your ALWAYS RIGHT?
Just a thought [/QUOTE]I DON'T THINK RENMAN IS ASSUMING HE IS RIGHT HOWEVER IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE'S ROSTER AND THEY ARE PLAYING IR PLAYERS OR INACATIVE ONES AND THEY HAVE A BAD RECORD TO SHOW FOR IT, IT DOES RAISE SPECUALTION.
YES MIKE YOU ARE RIGHT WHEN SAY IF YOU SCORE THE MOST POINTS THEY THE DEAD TEAMS WON'T HURT YOU.
RENMAN CAN CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG BUT I THINK HE FEELS THAT EVEN IF HIS TEAM WAS THE HIGHEST SCORING TEAM, HE STILL WOULD WANT THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME TO BE PLAYED BETTER REGARDLESS OF THAT.
AS WOULD I.
quote:Originally posted by Renman:
sportsbettingman,
What is your motivation to allow owners who quit in a high stakes fantasy football event I'll field these:
Because it's their team and they don't HAVE to finish the season to make "Renman" happy. I don't believe you can MAKE THEM either
Originally posted by Renman:
sportsbettingman,
opportunity to negatively impact the competitive integrity, and ultimately, the overall experience for other participants in the league?
Why do you seem so intent on making sure this practice doesn't get interupted or addressed? I am curious. This is opinion and pure speculation from one perspective. There are other perspectives to consider. Also, Doesn't he have the right to a different opinion? Why are YOU so intent on making sure this does get addressed? Why are you assuming your ALWAYS RIGHT?
Just a thought [/QUOTE]I DON'T THINK RENMAN IS ASSUMING HE IS RIGHT HOWEVER IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE'S ROSTER AND THEY ARE PLAYING IR PLAYERS OR INACATIVE ONES AND THEY HAVE A BAD RECORD TO SHOW FOR IT, IT DOES RAISE SPECUALTION.
YES MIKE YOU ARE RIGHT WHEN SAY IF YOU SCORE THE MOST POINTS THEY THE DEAD TEAMS WON'T HURT YOU.
RENMAN CAN CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG BUT I THINK HE FEELS THAT EVEN IF HIS TEAM WAS THE HIGHEST SCORING TEAM, HE STILL WOULD WANT THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME TO BE PLAYED BETTER REGARDLESS OF THAT.
AS WOULD I.
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Ugly,
That is like saying "its my car and if I want to drive it 90 MPH down a street I should be allowed to no matter who else it might impact.."
If the person was playing in a total points league he can dump his team all he wants. But when there is a h2h element to the contest (as there needs to be to have a viable and well supported event) each owner has a certain level of responsibility to not hurt the competitive integrity of the league do they not? Now if you are saying they do not, you are welcome to have that opinion. Is that what you are saying?
Of course he has the right to have a differing opinion.. which is why I am asking if this, is in fact, his opinion. I want to know why he believes it is important to make sure we do nothing to curb owners who quit on their teams and ultimately hurt league competitive integrity.
Maybe he has a good compelling reason that I am not aware of.
By the way.. when debating opinions don't all people believe they are right? You included? How often do you debate opinions you believe yourself to be wrong on?
I appreciate you fielding the questions I asked of sportsbettering man.. though I do look forward to him answering for himself.
[ November 24, 2009, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: Renman ]
That is like saying "its my car and if I want to drive it 90 MPH down a street I should be allowed to no matter who else it might impact.."
If the person was playing in a total points league he can dump his team all he wants. But when there is a h2h element to the contest (as there needs to be to have a viable and well supported event) each owner has a certain level of responsibility to not hurt the competitive integrity of the league do they not? Now if you are saying they do not, you are welcome to have that opinion. Is that what you are saying?
Of course he has the right to have a differing opinion.. which is why I am asking if this, is in fact, his opinion. I want to know why he believes it is important to make sure we do nothing to curb owners who quit on their teams and ultimately hurt league competitive integrity.
Maybe he has a good compelling reason that I am not aware of.
By the way.. when debating opinions don't all people believe they are right? You included? How often do you debate opinions you believe yourself to be wrong on?
I appreciate you fielding the questions I asked of sportsbettering man.. though I do look forward to him answering for himself.
[ November 24, 2009, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: Renman ]
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kotrax,
I think that the NFFC should try to eliminate as many negative influences as possible that could turn off current and future consumers. This issue comes up every single year and irritates people. While it does not happen often, it happens enough that there will be a time that it hugely impacts a result.
There is no question in my mind that smart fantasy football minds can come up with some ways to lessen or eliminate this problem. I personally cannot think of one time I have ever been personally impacted by a quitter team in a high stakes event. Having said that, I also don't want to be in the future even though a quitter team could HELP me just as much as hurt me.
I am fond of the NFFC and believe that as time goes by it will be run better than other events and will be viewed as the premier fantasy football contest in the market. Sometimes the little things are part of what elevates you to the top. Addressing this kind of little thing could help.
I also offered a way to deal with this problem a few pages ago here and have yet to see a viable reason as to why it could not work.
[ November 24, 2009, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: Renman ]
I think that the NFFC should try to eliminate as many negative influences as possible that could turn off current and future consumers. This issue comes up every single year and irritates people. While it does not happen often, it happens enough that there will be a time that it hugely impacts a result.
There is no question in my mind that smart fantasy football minds can come up with some ways to lessen or eliminate this problem. I personally cannot think of one time I have ever been personally impacted by a quitter team in a high stakes event. Having said that, I also don't want to be in the future even though a quitter team could HELP me just as much as hurt me.
I am fond of the NFFC and believe that as time goes by it will be run better than other events and will be viewed as the premier fantasy football contest in the market. Sometimes the little things are part of what elevates you to the top. Addressing this kind of little thing could help.
I also offered a way to deal with this problem a few pages ago here and have yet to see a viable reason as to why it could not work.
[ November 24, 2009, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: Renman ]
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DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT KEVIN HAS SUGGESTED?