What do you need Monday night?

[BillyWaz]

Agree 100% with the VP suggestion. Played in a Super a couple years ago, and myself and others lobbied to go from 6 teams to 4. Well, 4 is good......but giving those 2 others a shot would definitely make it more enjoyable.

Just for the record, Victory Points is not an FFPC exclusive.....they took the idea from Ant Sports. It is a good one, that would make the NFFC extreme high stakes leagues EVEN BETTER!

[kjduke]

Agree 100% with the VP suggestion. Played in a Super a couple years ago, and myself and others lobbied to go from 6 teams to 4. Well, 4 is good......but giving those 2 others a shot would definitely make it more enjoyable.

Just for the record, Victory Points is not an FFPC exclusive.....they took the idea from Ant Sports. It is a good one, that would make the NFFC extreme high stakes leagues EVEN BETTER!

Honestly, if nothing changes next season I may shift my high stakes (non-main event) leagues over to the FFPC. The VP and deeper playoff format is simply more fair and more enjoyable. I've done two Diamond leagues here and thought I had a very solid playoff-worthy team both seasons, yet I'll be down $20k with no chance to even compete over the final 3 weeks. Don't think I will put myself thru that again with the same format.

[kjduke]

Just to add on to the above set-up. The argument against more playoff teams has always been that it doesn't do enough to reward the best teams. But with the wildcard elimination, the top 2 teams are guaranteed to remain in the playoffs which is ultimately still a 4-team race, and the top scoring teams have the additional edge of starting the playoff with a point edge.

It also opens up the race to the bottom tier of playoff teams who in many cases are in very tight races. It keeps more teams involved all season, so a few bad weeks because of injury doesn't eliminate you from contention -assuming you can re-build thru FAAB or get healthy.

By the way, as the "real" sports leagues have evolved, they've realized the same thing ... adding wildcard teams helps interest in the game. Reward the top teams with an edge thru some kind of bye and/or point advantage, but give those on the bubble a shot to compete and you will have a better league. Highly restrictive playoffs might be good for the New York Yankee-type teams, but they're ultimately detrimental to league revenues.

[Old School]

..Lots of these stories this year.

Lose last week by .2 of one point in Classic league so instead of winning league with 10-3 record, finish tied for first at 9-4 and out of the playoffs on points tie-breakers. Wishing there were 4 playoff teams today i guess

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Agree 100% with the VP suggestion. Played in a Super a couple years ago, and myself and others lobbied to go from 6 teams to 4. Well, 4 is good......but giving those 2 others a shot would definitely make it more enjoyable.

Just for the record, Victory Points is not an FFPC exclusive.....they took the idea from Ant Sports. It is a good one, that would make the NFFC extreme high stakes leagues EVEN BETTER!

Honestly, if nothing changes next season I may shift my high stakes (non-main event) leagues over to the FFPC. The VP and deeper playoff format is simply more fair and more enjoyable. I've done two Diamond leagues here and thought I had a very solid playoff-worthy team both seasons, yet I'll be down $20k with no chance to even compete over the final 3 weeks. Don't think I will put myself thru that again with the same format.

I feel bad for you KJ. You have an incredible team as you did last year. The same thing is likely to happen this year. You will go nuts and put up a would have won type score. You have been incredibly unlucky. While I owed it to the league to try and beat you this week, I was hoping you would beat us(which you did) and get in. You will slay this thing one of these years if you keep putting together the best team heading into the playoffs. Hang in there and go get the consolation prize.

[Glenneration X]

KJ, no format is perfect. I finished 3rd in overall points in the $5K Big Payback over in the FFPC, a league that utilizes both the Victory Points and 6 of 12 teams making the playoffs as you prefer and am on the outside looking in as well. Unfortunately, no matter how much we try, there's no way to completely legislate bad luck out of this hobby.

[The Franchise]

Agree 100% with the VP suggestion. Played in a Super a couple years ago, and myself and others lobbied to go from 6 teams to 4. Well, 4 is good......but giving those 2 others a shot would definitely make it more enjoyable.

Just for the record, Victory Points is not an FFPC exclusive.....they took the idea from Ant Sports. It is a good one, that would make the NFFC extreme high stakes leagues EVEN BETTER!

Honestly, if nothing changes next season I may shift my high stakes (non-main event) leagues over to the FFPC. The VP and deeper playoff format is simply more fair and more enjoyable. I've done two Diamond leagues here and thought I had a very solid playoff-worthy team both seasons, yet I'll be down $20k with no chance to even compete over the final 3 weeks. Don't think I will put myself thru that again with the same format.

Man, I was really hoping you were going to make it in. Getting jammed again is just bad luck. I would be frustrated too, but you have shown to put together great teams in the Diamond so I wouldn't let other teams off the hook so easy......

[kjduke]

KJ, no format is perfect. I finished 3rd in overall points in the $5K Big Payback over in the FFPC, a league that utilizes both the Victory Points and 6 of 12 teams making the playoffs as you prefer and am on the outside looking in as well. Unfortunately, no matter how much we try, there's no way to completely legislate bad luck out of this hobby.

GX, I agree and I am not trying to legislate away luck. I want to play in a league where the structure feels right:

- Having one team make a 4-team playoff based on record is silly IF H2H is going to be used. I know it's heresy among the elites here to say that points it not the all-determing god of FF, but the truth is you can have a monster week or two which launches you, and suck for many other weeks, and win this contest over steady teams. Total points is a good format for a DC, not for a league that uses H2H matchups. And before anyone crys foul that this is sour grapes, I've been helped by the points format at least as much as I've been hurt by it, but I've said the same thing for several years - if H2H is used, the playoffs should be balanced.

- Secondly, those #3-4 seeds are often very close to the #5-6 seeds, particularly in the higher stakes contests, and having more playoff teams will not dilute a league playoff - it makes it more likely that the best team over 16 weeks (rather than 13) will win. It also keeps more teams involved deep into the season. Case in point - the FAAB in those OC leagues have been a joke for weeks, with minimal bidding, because so many teams have already quit with only 2 teams having a playoff chance.

[King of Queens]

KJ, no format is perfect. I finished 3rd in overall points in the $5K Big Payback over in the FFPC, a league that utilizes both the Victory Points and 6 of 12 teams making the playoffs as you prefer and am on the outside looking in as well. Unfortunately, no matter how much we try, there's no way to completely legislate bad luck out of this hobby.

Precisely the example I was going to use. Sucks, and we can both relate.

[Greg Ambrosius]

KJ, no format is perfect. I finished 3rd in overall points in the $5K Big Payback over in the FFPC, a league that utilizes both the Victory Points and 6 of 12 teams making the playoffs as you prefer and am on the outside looking in as well. Unfortunately, no matter how much we try, there's no way to completely legislate bad luck out of this hobby.

I wish we could please everyone in every format. As Billy said, the 14-team NFFC Supers did have 6 playoff teams at one time and THE OWNERS asked us to reduce the playoff teams to 4 teams. We did that. I don't remember any Diamond League owners asking for that 12-team playoff format to increase to 6 teams before or to have Victory Points. Hey, the Diamond League is a great group of owners and I think everyone would listen to any fair proposal before stating "I'm going to the competition if this isn't done." Heck, we're seeing in the NFBC where owners are gravitating immediately to the highest-dollar private leagues and then asking for improvements to make those leagues even better. I'm open to suggestions BEFORE the season to make any of these leagues fairer and in the case of the Super we did EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED.

If the Diamond League owners all agree to a better playoff format, I'm all for it. Bring on the discussion to make any league better. We're all ears.