Broncos coach Josh McDaniels gave Eddie Royal the majority of the second quarter off after his two long touchdown returns Monday night. - Rotoworld
Eddie Royal owners are getting taxed but no benefit in services. I'm in favor of getting the points
I shouldn't look like this while I watch my player score !
Should We Include Individual ST Points In 2010?
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Should We Include Individual ST Points In 2010?
I say no.
Owners will SOON go into the draft and make sure they get double by points by drafting D.Jackson and PHIL D, Knox/Hester with CHI, Sproles and SD, etc..
It will morph into that in a heartbeat.
There has never been a rule in fantasy football where ONE player gets credit for TWO TD's and scores a possible 12 points for his team.
PASS TD's yield ONE for the QB and ONE for the RB/TE/WR.
Even if you draft Brady and Moss, there's no guarantee that Moss gets every TD thrown by Brady.
When you get owners losing because ONE player gets credit for 12 points, you'll have more complaints than you see now.
[ October 21, 2009, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: FantasyFactor ]
Owners will SOON go into the draft and make sure they get double by points by drafting D.Jackson and PHIL D, Knox/Hester with CHI, Sproles and SD, etc..
It will morph into that in a heartbeat.
There has never been a rule in fantasy football where ONE player gets credit for TWO TD's and scores a possible 12 points for his team.
PASS TD's yield ONE for the QB and ONE for the RB/TE/WR.
Even if you draft Brady and Moss, there's no guarantee that Moss gets every TD thrown by Brady.
When you get owners losing because ONE player gets credit for 12 points, you'll have more complaints than you see now.
[ October 21, 2009, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: FantasyFactor ]
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Should We Include Individual ST Points In 2010?
Originally posted by FantasyFactor:
I say no.
Owners will SOON go into the draft and make sure they get double by points by drafting D.Jackson and PHIL D, Knox/Hester with CHI, Sproles and SD, etc..
It will morph into that in a heartbeat.
There has never been a rule in fantasy football where ONE player gets credit for TWO TD's and scores a possible 12 points for his team.
PASS TD's yield ONE for the QB and ONE for the RB/TE/WR.
Even if you draft Brady and Moss, there's no guarantee that Moss gets every TD thrown by Brady.
When you get owners losing because ONE player gets credit for 12 points, you'll have more complaints than you see now. Yea John, but MUCH MORE often that (since kick returns for TD's don't happen much at all) the person who "doubles up" on Denver gets ZERO points because no kicks were returned for TD's.
Devin Hester and Dante Hall (a few years back) were ANOMOLIES, as who else even scores TWO in a year (besides Eddie Royal, of course! 
)??? Devin Hester went from FIVE to ZERO in a two year span.
If someone wanted to go that route, "more power to them". Most weeks, they are going to be SEVERELY diappointed (from just a kicks returned for TD's standpoint).
[ October 21, 2009, 12:10 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]
I say no.
Owners will SOON go into the draft and make sure they get double by points by drafting D.Jackson and PHIL D, Knox/Hester with CHI, Sproles and SD, etc..
It will morph into that in a heartbeat.
There has never been a rule in fantasy football where ONE player gets credit for TWO TD's and scores a possible 12 points for his team.
PASS TD's yield ONE for the QB and ONE for the RB/TE/WR.
Even if you draft Brady and Moss, there's no guarantee that Moss gets every TD thrown by Brady.
When you get owners losing because ONE player gets credit for 12 points, you'll have more complaints than you see now. Yea John, but MUCH MORE often that (since kick returns for TD's don't happen much at all) the person who "doubles up" on Denver gets ZERO points because no kicks were returned for TD's.
Devin Hester and Dante Hall (a few years back) were ANOMOLIES, as who else even scores TWO in a year (besides Eddie Royal, of course! )??? Devin Hester went from FIVE to ZERO in a two year span.If someone wanted to go that route, "more power to them". Most weeks, they are going to be SEVERELY diappointed (from just a kicks returned for TD's standpoint).
[ October 21, 2009, 12:10 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]
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Should We Include Individual ST Points In 2010?
Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by FantasyFactor:
I say no.
Owners will SOON go into the draft and make sure they get double by points by drafting D.Jackson and PHIL D, Knox/Hester with CHI, Sproles and SD, etc..
It will morph into that in a heartbeat.
There has never been a rule in fantasy football where ONE player gets credit for TWO TD's and scores a possible 12 points for his team.
PASS TD's yield ONE for the QB and ONE for the RB/TE/WR.
Even if you draft Brady and Moss, there's no guarantee that Moss gets every TD thrown by Brady.
When you get owners losing because ONE player gets credit for 12 points, you'll have more complaints than you see now. Yea John, but MUCH MORE often that (since kick returns for TD's don't happen much at all) the person who "doubles up" on Denver gets ZERO points because no kicks were returned for TD's. Devin Hester and Dante Hall (a few years back) were ANOMOLIES, as who else even scores TWO in a year (besides Eddie Royal, of course! )??? Devin Hester went from FIVE to ZERO in a two year span.
If someone wanted to go that route, "more power to them". Most weeks, they are going to be SEVERELY diappointed (from just a kicks returned for TD's standpoint). [/QUOTE]If I read this right, no one is talking about players you'd never start. This thread on every MB is for guys THIS YEAR like Jackson, Knox, Sproles, Royal that owners DO START.
Changing the rule would morph into owners making sure they take the corresponding D/ST for double points and more complaints than this as no ONE player has ever rec'd 12 pts for a TD.
Before the internet, almost all services had these scores go to the player. The advent of the net turned D only into D/ST and the industry standard changed to D/ST getting these points.
I personally like the player to get them, but NOT the D/ST also. (of course, this would require no ST) I'm against the double points. I would be for the player getting the points only.
[ October 21, 2009, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: FantasyFactor ]
quote:Originally posted by FantasyFactor:
I say no.
Owners will SOON go into the draft and make sure they get double by points by drafting D.Jackson and PHIL D, Knox/Hester with CHI, Sproles and SD, etc..
It will morph into that in a heartbeat.
There has never been a rule in fantasy football where ONE player gets credit for TWO TD's and scores a possible 12 points for his team.
PASS TD's yield ONE for the QB and ONE for the RB/TE/WR.
Even if you draft Brady and Moss, there's no guarantee that Moss gets every TD thrown by Brady.
When you get owners losing because ONE player gets credit for 12 points, you'll have more complaints than you see now. Yea John, but MUCH MORE often that (since kick returns for TD's don't happen much at all) the person who "doubles up" on Denver gets ZERO points because no kicks were returned for TD's.
Devin Hester and Dante Hall (a few years back) were ANOMOLIES, as who else even scores TWO in a year (besides Eddie Royal, of course! )??? Devin Hester went from FIVE to ZERO in a two year span.If someone wanted to go that route, "more power to them". Most weeks, they are going to be SEVERELY diappointed (from just a kicks returned for TD's standpoint). [/QUOTE]If I read this right, no one is talking about players you'd never start. This thread on every MB is for guys THIS YEAR like Jackson, Knox, Sproles, Royal that owners DO START.
Changing the rule would morph into owners making sure they take the corresponding D/ST for double points and more complaints than this as no ONE player has ever rec'd 12 pts for a TD.
Before the internet, almost all services had these scores go to the player. The advent of the net turned D only into D/ST and the industry standard changed to D/ST getting these points.
I personally like the player to get them, but NOT the D/ST also. (of course, this would require no ST) I'm against the double points. I would be for the player getting the points only.
[ October 21, 2009, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: FantasyFactor ]
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Should We Include Individual ST Points In 2010?
Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by FantasyFactor:
I say no.
Owners will SOON go into the draft and make sure they get double by points by drafting D.Jackson and PHIL D, Knox/Hester with CHI, Sproles and SD, etc..
It will morph into that in a heartbeat.
There has never been a rule in fantasy football where ONE player gets credit for TWO TD's and scores a possible 12 points for his team.
PASS TD's yield ONE for the QB and ONE for the RB/TE/WR.
Even if you draft Brady and Moss, there's no guarantee that Moss gets every TD thrown by Brady.
When you get owners losing because ONE player gets credit for 12 points, you'll have more complaints than you see now. Yea John, but MUCH MORE often that (since kick returns for TD's don't happen much at all) the person who "doubles up" on Denver gets ZERO points because no kicks were returned for TD's. Devin Hester and Dante Hall (a few years back) were ANOMOLIES, as who else even scores TWO in a year (besides Eddie Royal, of course! )??? Devin Hester went from FIVE to ZERO in a two year span.
If someone wanted to go that route, "more power to them". Most weeks, they are going to be SEVERELY diappointed (from just a kicks returned for TD's standpoint). [/QUOTE]Harvin, Cribbs, Hester, Royal, Jackson.
If you add return points ... a skilled owner will need to do a lot more research and account for that skill. If this is not the case (or it can't be done by an owner) ... it is luck (either a good owner can account for the likelihood of points ... or he or she can't ... it's that simple).
It would definitely add more unnecessary work in preparing for a draft IMO.
quote:Originally posted by FantasyFactor:
I say no.
Owners will SOON go into the draft and make sure they get double by points by drafting D.Jackson and PHIL D, Knox/Hester with CHI, Sproles and SD, etc..
It will morph into that in a heartbeat.
There has never been a rule in fantasy football where ONE player gets credit for TWO TD's and scores a possible 12 points for his team.
PASS TD's yield ONE for the QB and ONE for the RB/TE/WR.
Even if you draft Brady and Moss, there's no guarantee that Moss gets every TD thrown by Brady.
When you get owners losing because ONE player gets credit for 12 points, you'll have more complaints than you see now. Yea John, but MUCH MORE often that (since kick returns for TD's don't happen much at all) the person who "doubles up" on Denver gets ZERO points because no kicks were returned for TD's.
Devin Hester and Dante Hall (a few years back) were ANOMOLIES, as who else even scores TWO in a year (besides Eddie Royal, of course! )??? Devin Hester went from FIVE to ZERO in a two year span.If someone wanted to go that route, "more power to them". Most weeks, they are going to be SEVERELY diappointed (from just a kicks returned for TD's standpoint). [/QUOTE]Harvin, Cribbs, Hester, Royal, Jackson.
If you add return points ... a skilled owner will need to do a lot more research and account for that skill. If this is not the case (or it can't be done by an owner) ... it is luck (either a good owner can account for the likelihood of points ... or he or she can't ... it's that simple).
It would definitely add more unnecessary work in preparing for a draft IMO.
Hakuna Matata!
Should We Include Individual ST Points In 2010?
Originally posted by Bald is Beautiful:
Absolutely.
I note from the above list that the guys who I know play in the FFPC are all in favor of this rule change. I was ambivalent on this issue prior to seeing the rule in effect in the FFPC, and now I've seen the difference it makes and how fair it is in situation like Royal had the other night.
Who cares if it raises the value of inferior players? Don't roster those guys if you don't want them. Uh... me (and apparently some others)?!
Consider 3 of this era's most dominant return specialists and their CAREER kick/punt return TDs:
1. Dante Hall (KC: 2000-06, STL: 2007-08) - 6/6=12 over 7 yrs or less than 2/yr
2. Devin Hester (CHI: 2006-09) - 4/7=11 over 4 yrs or less than 3/yr
3. Josh Cribbs (CLE: 2005-09) - 6/2= 8 over 5 yrs or less than 2/yr
Why personally reward such infrequent accomplishments? I realize the argument is "They're risking injury w/ no reward; if someone drafts them, they s/b rewarded.". Another way to view that though is "Factor that in when considering one of them." How different is it from a WR who also is on special teams for kick/punt return coverage (but he's not back receiving the kick, he's on the kicking team, barrel-assing down the field at full speed)? If he personally recovers a fumble and picks it up and runs in for a TD, should he get rewarded for that too? I mean, didn't HE risk injury too? But did that absolute stroke of luck somehow factor into our draft day decision on this player? If not, then we shouldn't be rewarded.
And lastly, here's a scenario that, if it occurred, I'm pretty sure someone would be out here discussing it, maybe even looking to reverse the rule back: a team has Devin Hester and his opponent that week the CHI DST. Hester breaks one open and scores; both he AND the CHI DST are awarded 6 points, thereby allowing Hester's TD to negate CHI's. This, to me, isn't the same as when one owner's QB passes a TD to his opponent's WR and they're also negated because, in that case, there were 2 players involved in the play, so they both get rewarded. When it's just one player scoring, why would we want to award points to him AND another "player" (the DST)?
Absolutely.
I note from the above list that the guys who I know play in the FFPC are all in favor of this rule change. I was ambivalent on this issue prior to seeing the rule in effect in the FFPC, and now I've seen the difference it makes and how fair it is in situation like Royal had the other night.
Who cares if it raises the value of inferior players? Don't roster those guys if you don't want them. Uh... me (and apparently some others)?!
Consider 3 of this era's most dominant return specialists and their CAREER kick/punt return TDs:
1. Dante Hall (KC: 2000-06, STL: 2007-08) - 6/6=12 over 7 yrs or less than 2/yr
2. Devin Hester (CHI: 2006-09) - 4/7=11 over 4 yrs or less than 3/yr
3. Josh Cribbs (CLE: 2005-09) - 6/2= 8 over 5 yrs or less than 2/yr
Why personally reward such infrequent accomplishments? I realize the argument is "They're risking injury w/ no reward; if someone drafts them, they s/b rewarded.". Another way to view that though is "Factor that in when considering one of them." How different is it from a WR who also is on special teams for kick/punt return coverage (but he's not back receiving the kick, he's on the kicking team, barrel-assing down the field at full speed)? If he personally recovers a fumble and picks it up and runs in for a TD, should he get rewarded for that too? I mean, didn't HE risk injury too? But did that absolute stroke of luck somehow factor into our draft day decision on this player? If not, then we shouldn't be rewarded.
And lastly, here's a scenario that, if it occurred, I'm pretty sure someone would be out here discussing it, maybe even looking to reverse the rule back: a team has Devin Hester and his opponent that week the CHI DST. Hester breaks one open and scores; both he AND the CHI DST are awarded 6 points, thereby allowing Hester's TD to negate CHI's. This, to me, isn't the same as when one owner's QB passes a TD to his opponent's WR and they're also negated because, in that case, there were 2 players involved in the play, so they both get rewarded. When it's just one player scoring, why would we want to award points to him AND another "player" (the DST)?
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Should We Include Individual ST Points In 2010?
Originally posted by FantasyFactor:
There has never been a rule in fantasy football where ONE player gets credit for TWO TD's and scores a possible 12 points for his team.
Wasn't Brad Johnson credited both with a passing TD and a TD reception when he caught his own pass for a touchdown in 1997?
There has never been a rule in fantasy football where ONE player gets credit for TWO TD's and scores a possible 12 points for his team.
Wasn't Brad Johnson credited both with a passing TD and a TD reception when he caught his own pass for a touchdown in 1997?
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Should We Include Individual ST Points In 2010?
Originally posted by Sandman62:This, to me, isn't the same as when one owner's QB passes a TD to his opponent's WR and they're also negated because, [/QB]Somewhat negated as they are not scored the same.
20 yd TD = 7 for QB
20 yd TD = 9 for WR/TE, 8.5 for RB.
20 yd TD = 7 for QB
20 yd TD = 9 for WR/TE, 8.5 for RB.
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Should We Include Individual ST Points In 2010?
Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:
quote:Originally posted by FantasyFactor:
There has never been a rule in fantasy football where ONE player gets credit for TWO TD's and scores a possible 12 points for his team.
Wasn't Brad Johnson credited both with a passing TD and a TD reception when he caught his own pass for a touchdown in 1997? [/QUOTE]Yeah, that happens a lot.
quote:Originally posted by FantasyFactor:
There has never been a rule in fantasy football where ONE player gets credit for TWO TD's and scores a possible 12 points for his team.
Wasn't Brad Johnson credited both with a passing TD and a TD reception when he caught his own pass for a touchdown in 1997? [/QUOTE]Yeah, that happens a lot.
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Should We Include Individual ST Points In 2010?
i believe that the diff btwn a qb getting 7 and a wr 9 would qualify as 'mostly' negated? u get my point tho - two players direvtly contributed to a td so both get rewarded. even the brad johnoson throw to himself, i'll buy HIM double dipping cuz he played 2 roles. but if we're to reward individual players for special teams play, then we should eliminkate STs (which i'm not seriously suggesting)