NFFC League Playoffs 2012

Jersey Dawg · Post by **Jersey Dawg** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:03 am

I am all for the KOQ concept. It really will keep a lot of teams in the hunt all season and will reward teams that fixed injury problems with smart waiver moves and team management.

I like 6 points per pass. 6 is a "football" number.

I am cool with -2 per int and would also be cool with -2 per fumble lost.

A full ppr in all formats makes a ton of sense too.

Great discussion. I'm already looking forward to the changes for 2012!

Pete

Cocktails and Dreams · Post by **Cocktails and Dreams** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:34 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:
I like things being valued properly which is 4 a td pass and either 1 or 0 points per catch for all players including backs and TE in my opinion. Again, I understand why they needed that when competing with WCOFF to have a drastic difference. Don't think it is needed anymore and cannot in any way see how it helps them grow the game. The two mass market games, yahoo and cbs,have 4 and 6 pt QB touchdowns, respectively. I see QB scoring is coke vs pepsi - I don't think one or the other moves the needle on demand since there is familiarity and preference on both sides.

However, it was a bad idea when coke tried to become pepsi some yrs ago, and I think the same applies here. While I prefer 6, which makes a lot more sense to me because, well, its a TD and not two safeties , I wouldn't advise the FFPC to switch over to it for the reason above (even though I prefer it).

Whereas the playoff discussion was a matter of looking for ways to engage more players deeper into the season, I think this just comes down to personal preference. [/QUOTE]Yeah huge personal preference difference. It probably has something do do with my inability to adjust well to the dynamic wild swings created by the 6 a td. When there is more passing than ever if you don't have one of the studs you likely are not winning. Just an incredible advantage those big three have presented this year. And QB's being at risk of injury, I don't like having to risk a very early pick to get one of them. I guess I will have to reevalute next year as you have little chance without one it seems like. This is after reeavaluting if it is worth playing here with those rules, not having traditionally done as well here. You have to nail everything else perfectly. Just don't like the wild swings and drastic differences at that one position. Takes a ton of skill out of play in my opinion. You look at the FFPC the best teams have to be very strong at the positions. Here, not so much. But if I don't like it I don't have to play it, so it is a indeed very much a personal choice like you mentioned. One I will reevaluate next year, like every year. I play at 9 places and this and one other use the 6 points. Like you said, it is a personal preference and may be it is good to have a place like this for those that do like the 6 and other places for those who very much dislike the wild fluctuation in scoring that it presents.

[ November 30, 2011, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: Cocktails and Dreams ]

mattjb · Post by **mattjb** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:46 am

If we go to 4 pts for a TD pass Tom might draft Tebow above Rodgers. You can't do that to him guys.

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Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:50 am

Originally posted by mattjb:
If we go to 4 pts for a TD pass Tom might draft Tebow above Rodgers. You can't do that to him guys. Every league I have Tebow in has four points for a passing TD and at no point would I ever consider doing that.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:03 am

Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:
I like things being valued properly which is 4 a td pass and either 1 or 0 points per catch for all players including backs and TE in my opinion. Again, I understand why they needed that when competing with WCOFF to have a drastic difference. Don't think it is needed anymore and cannot in any way see how it helps them grow the game. The two mass market games, yahoo and cbs,have 4 and 6 pt QB touchdowns, respectively. I see QB scoring is coke vs pepsi - I don't think one or the other moves the needle on demand since there is familiarity and preference on both sides.

However, it was a bad idea when coke tried to become pepsi some yrs ago, and I think the same applies here. While I prefer 6, which makes a lot more sense to me because, well, its a TD and not two safeties , I wouldn't advise the FFPC to switch over to it for the reason above (even though I prefer it).

Whereas the playoff discussion was a matter of looking for ways to engage more players deeper into the season, I think this just comes down to personal preference. [/QUOTE]Yeah huge personal preference difference. It probably has something do do with my inability to adjust well to the dynamic wild swings created by the 6 a td. When there is more passing than ever if you don't have one of the studs you likely are not winning. Just an incredible advantage those big three have presented this year. And QB's being at risk of injury, I don't like having to risk a very early pick to get one of them. I guess I will have to reevalute next year as you have little chance without one it seems like. This is after reeavaluting if it is worth playing here with those rules, not having traditionally done as well here. You have to nail everything else perfectly. Just don't like the wild swings and drastic differences at that one position. Takes a ton of skill out of play in my opinion. You look at the FFPC the best teams have to be very strong at the positions. Here, not so much. But if I don't like it I don't have to play it, so it is a indeed very much a personal choice like you mentioned. One I will reevaluate next year, like every year. I play at 9 places and this and one other use the 6 points. Like you said, it is a personal preference and may be it is good to have a place like this for those that do like the 6 and other places for those who very much dislike the wild fluctuation in scoring that it presents. [/QUOTE]Chad, you won the NFFC Primetime overall title last year and you're pictured on the front of our web site!! CHAMP, you HAVE mastered this scoring system before. You've dominated the NFFC the two previous years with the same scoring format and this year it's been more of a struggle, although your Primetime team is still 23rd overall.

No problem if the 6 points per passing TD isn't your favorite. It happens and you are right that you will decide where you feel comfortable playing in future years. We understand that. But I do have to say the 6-point per passing touchdown is not an area of our rules that we're looking to change. I think it has made our game interesting and our drafts interesting.

Sorry.

kjduke · Post by **kjduke** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:05 am

Brady, Brees and Stafford have 26-28 TD, a bunch of guys are in the 18-21 range.

That's about 15 additional points in 12 weeks for 3 of the big 4 QBs over most others. Seems to me like a lot of other factors can swing things by at least a point a game.

Rodgers is having a monster season and he's got a 2 PPG edge in this format. But when you consider that you had to draft him in the 1st or 2nd round vs 8th-9th rd for a lot of the guys in the middle of the pack, I don't think that's an undue advantage.

I think the top QBs have stood out more this season because so many other top tier players have been knocked out of commission, probably because of the short off-season and new concussion rules.

Hopefully your off-season assessment is that you need to tweak your NFFC draft strategy next season rather than feeling like you can't compete, which I'm not buying.

You won a baseball contest against a ton of vets with no experience, I'll bet you can manage a little thing like this.

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Rog · Post by **Rog** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:25 am

couldnt all these numbers be said about the big 3 at wr and rb also(for the most part?

CoMoHusker · Post by **CoMoHusker** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:19 pm

As a first year NFFC participant, next to the KDS and 3RR, having passing touchdowns worth six points is why I have enjoyed this format so much. My leagues are about split 50/50 on awarding the four vs. six points with about that same percentage liking that scoring in those leagues. So I totally agree that it is a personal preference.

I just always hated when my QB would throw a great TD pass to a WR only to be rewarded four points when some other owner is credited with six. The way I look at it, the WR wouldn't have even scored if my QB didn't throw the ball. I also understand the argument where a QB can throw a two yard screen pass and have the RB do most of the work and take it to the house.

Again, pros and cons for both but I wouldn't want to see the format changed here. I do know that if Rodgers, Brees, and Brady continue to put up the numbers that they are, I will have to reevaluate my philosophy of not taking a QB early. I think I posted on an earlier thread that it would be hard for me not to take AR 1st overall next year if given the chance. Question is, could I actually pull the trigger on that?

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Shrink Attack · Post by **Shrink Attack** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:40 pm

Originally posted by CoMoHusker:
As a first year NFFC participant, next to the KDS and 3RR, having passing touchdowns worth six points is why I have enjoyed this format so much. My leagues are about split 50/50 on awarding the four vs. six points with about that same percentage liking that scoring in those leagues. So I totally agree that it is a personal preference.

I just always hated when my QB would throw a great TD pass to a WR only to be rewarded four points when some other owner is credited with six. The way I look at it, the WR wouldn't have even scored if my QB didn't throw the ball. I also understand the argument where a QB can throw a two yard screen pass and have the RB do most of the work and take it to the house.

Again, pros and cons for both but I wouldn't want to see the format changed here. I do know that if Rodgers, Brees, and Brady continue to put up the numbers that they are, I will have to reevaluate my philosophy of not taking a QB early. I think I posted on an earlier thread that it would be hard for me not to take AR 1st overall next year if given the chance. Question is, could I actually pull the trigger on that? Good post.

There's also the situation where John Kuhn comes in for the half-yard vulture plunge and gets 6 points. That shouldn't be worth more than a TD pass.

The 6-point TD pass makes the QB's much more relevant early on in the draft. I think that a First Round where QB's, RB's, and WR's are all taken makes for a much more exciting draft and allows for a larger array of strategies. It feeds in perfectly with KDS and 3RR when considering draft strategy and from which position you want to draft.

If you feel that QB's are so valuable in this scoring system, then go for early round KDS and draft one. Others will believe the opposite approach is best and will do the opposite, because obviously there's no broad agreement on this point.

This is exactly what makes the NFFC setup particularly good.

alanr824 · Post by **alanr824** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:55 pm

I have played for years in both of the QB scoring formats, 4 pt and 6 pt. To me, a TD is a TD, whether you catch it or pass it. Both players are involved in the TD, both should get the same amount of points for it. And there is something to be said that the most important position on the football field is the QB. Shouldn't that be the most important position in fantasy as well, with the highest scoring ability? When fantasy football was created and for years, running backs were who everyone eyed in the first 2 rounds of the draft. Then, PPR came along and WR's got to be more important. I think the combination of PPR and 6 points per passing TD equals out the positions and makes the first few rounds a great challenge and it isn't a cut and dry positional pick. One change I would make would be giving RBs 1 point per reception. This will make the first few rounds even more interesting. Good discussion.