["Sandman62"]
moyer1313 wrote:Sandman62 wrote:RedRyder wrote:Looks like plenty of value to me! Especially in a DC when you might need a Jerrel Jerrigan type for a week or two. Those are players that can help you get in the money.
Good point. In a DC in which I drafted Cutler, I drafted McCo]wn in round 35.
Also got sporadic decent DC production from Fitzpatrick, Royal, Clay, DBrown, Cassel and Crabtree.
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This isn't to pick on either of you two, but just to use McGown and Jerrigan as examples.
Don't you think that McCown and Jerrigan hurt you more often then they helped you? Meaning that they were probably owned by other teams in other drafts that you were in more often then they were owned by you.
Say someone missed the QB run in your draft and then decided, "That is OK. I'll just draft a couple more good players while others are drafting QBs and I'll roll with Cutler as my #1 and some other #20-something QB as his backup."
Shouldn't they be penalized for missing the QB run? Shouldn't they also be penalized for deciding they could get by with just Cutler, who has now missed games in 4 consecutive seasons, and some weak #20-something backup?
Shouldn't they have to make the tough decision of spending their more valuable 26th Round pick to get McCown or not, rather than their less valuable 30th or 32nd or 35th Round pick?
Getting McCown in the 30th Round or later is like getting him for free and is no decision at all.
Additionally, they were actually rewarded for missing the QB run because they got to draft RBs, WRs, and TEs, while others were "wasting" their picks on QBs because they made the correct decision to draft QBs during the QB run and the correct decision not to rely on Cutler, who has now missed games in 4 consecutve seasons, and a weak #20-something backup.
If they decided to roll with the Cutler/McCown combo and a weak #20-something backup they should have to use their more valuable 26th Round pick on McCown to make up for the fact that they got to draft from a better selection of RBs, WRs, and TEs during the QB run that they missed.
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moyer1313 wrote:I'm willing to bet that he helped more of your opponent's teams then he helped your teams.
I think you may have a flawed vision of how teams ended up with McCown on them (at least in some cases)?
I was in 9 DCs and McCown was drafted in just 2 of them. I drafted him in one, and finished in 2nd place - which probably wouldn't have happened without McCown. My QBs in that league were Cam, Cutler, Cassel and McCown and here is the season production I got from them: Cam: 37%, Cutler: 30%, McCown: 26%, Cassel: 7.6%
In another of my DCs, BillyWaz drafted McCown, for a QB corps of: Cam, Cutler, Locker, Fitzpatrick, McCown.
So your assumption that only people who missed the QB run lucked their way into McCown isn't accurate in these cases (and I suspect many others). Billy and I apparently both felt that the risk of having an inconsistent-scoring, running QB1 like Cam necessitated a higher-end backup like Cutler, which probably meant that we were spending an earlier pick on our QB2 than many others did (while
they got to "draft a couple more good players while others are drafting QBs"
). Though you may have avoided Cutler due to injury history, others liked his outlook with Trestman and those receivers. And for those who drafted Cutler - whether as QB1 or QB2 - wasn't spending a very late pick on his NFL backup a prudent insurance policy in a DC, especially given his injury history and the potential upgrade to their passing offense with Trestman???
I made no assumption as to why anyone drafted McCown nor did I speculate as to why you or Billy drafted him. I just created an example.
In my opinion, the only legitimate reason to draft McCown was if you drafted Cutler.
It is also my opinion that relying on Cutler to be a QB #1 or QB #2 requires drafting either a reliable QB #3 or McCown because as good as I think Cutler would do, I also know he hasn't played a full season since 2009.
If someone that did not draft Cutler is throwing a dart at McCown in the late Rounds, and banking on Cutler's yearly injury, then I want them to pay a higher price than a 35th Round pick when they get lucky and Cutler does get injured.
If anyone drafted only 2 starting QBs and one of them was Cutler, then they should draft McCown in a 30 or 32 or 35 Round draft. Just like both you and Billy did.
In a 26 Round draft, that decision isn't as easy to make.
If someone decides to wait on a QB and then drafts Cutler late, in the meanwhile drafting out of a better RB, WR, TE pool then those that took a QB earlier, then I want them to have to either draft a 3rd QB, draft McCown in the 26th Round, or take a 0 when Cutler gets injured.
I want them to pay a price for waiting on Cutler and then counting on him to stay healthy.
If they take a 3rd QB, then I get some value back when I get to draft a RB, WR, or TE when they draft a QB.
If they decide to take McCown in the 26th Round, then I get some value back when I get to draft another player that might contribute to my team.
If they do not take McCown in the 26th Round, then I get some value back when they take a 0 when Cutler gets injured.
If they do not have to take McCown until the 35th Round, then I get no value back because the player I get in the 35th Round is just a dart and will most likely contribute nothing to my team, other than maybe to back up one of my other players.
Taking McCown in the 30th or 32nd or 35th Round is easy, if you own Cutler.
Taking McCown in the 26th Round is a much more difficult decision.
I want to make the decisions hard to make.
In the two drafts you described, you both took McCown to backup Cutler. Assuming you both took McCown late, that was a very good strategy.
You got to wait for a QB while picking from a better pool of RBs, WRs, and TEs, you only had to draft 2 QBs (Cam and Cutler), and you paid nothing for McCown.
Going with that same strategy, drafting only Cam and Cutler, in a 26 Round draft would have been a tougher decision to make and one I think both of you would have avoided, as would I have.
Mark
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