What Is Going To Happen To High-Stakes Fantasy Football?

[Tom Kessenich]

Glenn, you have nothing to apologize for. You simply want this to be resolved for everyone. That's what we all want and it doesn't deserve an apology at all.

[BillyWaz]

As furious as I am about this whole situation, I agree with what Glenn is doing.

It is not his duty to think about other people that this has happened to/or will happen to.

I got screwed by Fantasy Jungle and the AFFL. Now the guys at Fantasy Jungle simply stole everyone's money and left town. After being screwed by AFFL, I returned a year later when the new owners offered me $1050 in credit (the amount they owed me). As it turned out, I got 2nd in my league and won $600. I was paid that money, so I only ended up "losing" $450.

He isn't going to receive a dime if they fold, but he can roll over his money into other leagues and HOPE he will be paid. Best of luck to you my friend, as no one deserves the crap you guys have had to deal with.

As for Dustin, this guy needs to be held accountable. He has simply lied to WAY too many people, yet he still has a job, is working for a golf website, etc. I think people should get the word out about what this guy has done, and make sure he doesn't ever get the opportunity to do this again to all the good people in this industry.

Best of luck to all those owed money, and hopefully someday the WCOFF (and especially Dustin Ashby) will come out and give a public apology for all the irreparable (sp?) damage they have done to this industry!

[BillyWaz]

Originally posted by The FF Maestro:
"Public apology" my arse - there's no difference between white-collar and blue-collar crime - arrest the criminal! ... That is the point Glenn.....they would NEVER do that anyway, as that would be admitting they were wrong.

WCOFF is obviously WAY above that, as Dustin in particular definitely has an arrogance about him.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Glenneration X:
Greg, there does appear to be signups on that page and the total amount of signups have increased over the course of the 24 hours since the registration page went live. I stand corrected here. Glenn is right, registration was opened yesterday and credit cards are being run by the site. No explanation was given by the game operator or the site provider, it was just open the signup page and take the new signups for 2011. I guess explanations will come later as Glenn has promised everyone, but business first by everyone involved. Amazing.

Forget about the rollover people. What else can they do but ask for CASH, unless they believe they aren't allowed to do that. I wouldn't doubt if others will be asked to roll over prizes to help the cause. Take one for the team as was suggested innocuously before on this thread. Keep it going guys. And people wonder why I'm asking no contest to ever allow rollovers in the future? This contest will SURVIVE on rollovers.

I honestly am dumbfounded by all parties involved, but it is what it is. I would expect full payments to everyone involved ASAP before any new signups could come in, but that already isn't happening. The facts have been hidden on a members only area of the message board and soon a new season will be unveiled. Sorry for the delay all, lockout got in the way. Amazing. Roll it over.

Enough for me on this. I've said way more than I wanted. It's time to take care of our loyal customers and treat them right. It's a tough, tough time in our industry and nobody wanted the black eye. If it can be avoided, good. I just wish the paying customers had their choice on where they could play right now, because undoubtedly it wouldn't be the one they are now tied to, unless I'm missing something about all of this.

[BillyWaz]

Signups went live yesterday, and ironically, that is the day my username access got banned.

Great business model......we shouldn't let the truth get in the way, right guys???

This is unreal, time to get the word out on Facebook. I know a couple of people have done it, but this needs to spread like wildfire.

If people still want to join, have faith in them, are "anchored" to them, etc.....that is fine, but the newcomers at least deserve to know EXACTLY what is going on.

Hiding that info on a PRIVATE message board is just plain wrong.

If they truly go through with this, I can't wait to hear how things go out in Vegas. There is going to be a line out the door ready to "talk" to Dustin!!

[Tom Kessenich]

Originally posted by BillyWaz:

If people still want to join, have faith in them, are "anchored" to them, etc.....that is fine, but the newcomers at least deserve to know EXACTLY what is going on.

Hiding that info on a PRIVATE message board is just plain wrong.I'm not sure what I find more troubling - the fact this practice has been carried out for several months now or the possibility it may be rewarded.

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by Glenneration X:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
The WCOFF prize winners are finding themselves in a bit of a moral dilemma. If they choose not to play, they very likely forego their winnings. If they do play, they provide an avenue and the means for new suckers to put money into the system -- and still likely forego their winnings.

Tough call guys. I hope everything works out for you. I'm not really sure what "moral" dilemma you're referring to here Glenn. How is agreeing to roll over funds locked in an account or playing through with events already paid for or rolled over creating an "avenue" for future suckers to put money in the system, as you put it?

The avenue for future registrants to put money in the system is created by the running of the event and the opening and accepting of new registrations. Those new funds have been and will continue to be accepted whether those who have or may roll over locked funds do or don't remain with the event. One is completely independent of the other.

These players have enough to worry about without having to be subjected to unjustified guilt. [/QUOTE]In my opinion, the rollovers will help to give WCOFF an appearance of "health" to unsuspecting customers. With those rollovers, WCOFF can produce a draft slot list that will serve as an advertisement for a big contest. Much easier to make people think a contest is legitimate with 400 signups than with 100.

Glenn, you have a lot more insight into the specifics of what is going on here. My assumptions could be entirely wrong. If you feel you're doing the right thing, then by all means go for it.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Glenneration X:
I'd like to make one last point and it will be my last.

For those owed or who will be owed significant amount of moneys, sometimes you are put in a position to not only protect your own money, but that of your friends and colleagues. Sometimes you have the opportunity by your actions to help deliver to others what they are waiting for and deserve.

I won't go into details, but Tom things are not always as uncomplicated as they appear from the outside of an issue. I'm pretty sure I know what this means above Glenn. I'll be interested to see if players are put in that position to deliver to others what they are waiting for and deserve or whether the game operators that first took that money gives players what they are waiting for and deserve. It should be interesting. Give them all the cash and in full NOW, plain and simple.

[DoubleG]

sorry guys, i'm on vacation and haven't kept up to date on anything in the past 3-4 days.

is wcoff basically saying:
1. all the money is gone (otherwise they'd pay u)
2. they will accept your rollover winnings (which have already been spent by them)
3. it will buy them time to find a sucker investor

is that about right?

[ August 15, 2011, 08:35 AM: Message edited by: DoubleG ]