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Post by mkrucek » Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:03 am

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by SNAKE:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
Your thoughts? 3) FF is, and always has been, approximately 60% skill and 40% luck and that opinion is held by SNAKE whether his teams are faring well, badly or mediocrely...this year is extraordinary so the luck % is expotentially higher, more like 65-70%...
[/QUOTE]Since this is your opinion, and the chance of injury (as said by you) even weighs the scales MORE in the favor of luck, wouldn't you agree by your statement that fantasy football (in your eyes) is a 50/50 proposition going into each and every year????

Now since it is virtually a "coin flip" WHY Snake would you subject yourself to the HOURS of lost work, time with family, and consistent abuse for something that you have a 50/50 shot in winning???? I mean are you the type of person who would walk into a casino and throw down $1,300 on black or red on the roulette wheel? Based on your statement, that is pretty much what you are doing here.

Seems to me you would be MUCH better off throwing $1,300 (plus WCOFF's $1,900) down on a team on any given weekend (as you have shown some success with that). It would be an intense 3 hours, but it would be over and you wouldn't have to go through all the negatives listed above.

Add that you have yet to turn a profit in the NFFC since it's inception between the NFFC and WCOFF, have EASILY lost over $6,000 (satellites included), this seems like a no-brainer?


Truly not trying to start anything, but if you TRULY believe there is that much luck involved, why continue to play? Don't you agree? :confused:
[/QUOTE]Interesting thoughts Billy, but I wonder how many fantasy games would be in business if the requirement of "profit" determined whether people played or not. And I would also question what you mean by profit.

The vast majority of people in any of these high stakes games has not turned a "profit" and there wouldn't be a game if that was necessary.

Let's start with profit. You haven't made a profit if you win more than you paid to enter. How many hours did someone spend preparing for the season, mock drafting, reading, working on stuff during the season and yes, spending time on the message board? What else could you have done with all those hours? For most people they would make far more money working at their job, a far more certain source of income and, I would have to imagine for most people playing games with this entry fee, a better hourly rate. I have yet to meet someone that has "professional fantasy football player" listed as their occupation.

Being that the number of people who can possibly win anything in a league is so limited you really should be glad making a profit isn't why most people play.

So why do people play? Yes, the possibility of people winning certainly draws them to the game. But you better hope it's more than money that keeps them here. I would say for most people it's as much about fun, competition, value for the money they are spending as anything else. Where else can you have this much fun for this much money over a several month period? Sure it's more fun when you win, but you better hope it's about more than that. Because very few people make a true profit.
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Post by mkrucek » Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:10 am

BTW, the above post should not be construed as supproting Snake in any way, shape or form. Thank you.
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Post by BillyWaz » Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:18 am

Originally posted by 4D:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by SNAKE:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
Your thoughts? 3) FF is, and always has been, approximately 60% skill and 40% luck and that opinion is held by SNAKE whether his teams are faring well, badly or mediocrely...this year is extraordinary so the luck % is expotentially higher, more like 65-70%...
[/QUOTE]Since this is your opinion, and the chance of injury (as said by you) even weighs the scales MORE in the favor of luck, wouldn't you agree by your statement that fantasy football (in your eyes) is a 50/50 proposition going into each and every year????

Now since it is virtually a "coin flip" WHY Snake would you subject yourself to the HOURS of lost work, time with family, and consistent abuse for something that you have a 50/50 shot in winning???? I mean are you the type of person who would walk into a casino and throw down $1,300 on black or red on the roulette wheel? Based on your statement, that is pretty much what you are doing here.

Seems to me you would be MUCH better off throwing $1,300 (plus WCOFF's $1,900) down on a team on any given weekend (as you have shown some success with that). It would be an intense 3 hours, but it would be over and you wouldn't have to go through all the negatives listed above.

Add that you have yet to turn a profit in the NFFC since it's inception between the NFFC and WCOFF, have EASILY lost over $6,000 (satellites included), this seems like a no-brainer?


Truly not trying to start anything, but if you TRULY believe there is that much luck involved, why continue to play? Don't you agree? :confused:
[/QUOTE]Interesting thoughts Billy, but I wonder how many fantasy games would be in business if the requirement of "profit" determined whether people played or not. And I would also question what you mean by profit.

The vast majority of people in any of these high stakes games has not turned a "profit" and there wouldn't be a game if that was necessary.

Let's start with profit. You haven't made a profit if you win more than you paid to enter. How many hours did someone spend preparing for the season, mock drafting, reading, working on stuff during the season and yes, spending time on the message board? What else could you have done with all those hours? For most people they would make far more money working at their job, a far more certain source of income and, I would have to imagine for most people playing games with this entry fee, a better hourly rate. I have yet to meet someone that has "professional fantasy football player" listed as their occupation.

Being that the number of people who can possibly win anything in a league is so limited you really should be glad making a profit isn't why most people play.

So why do people play? Yes, the possibility of people winning certainly draws them to the game. But you better hope it's more than money that keeps them here. I would say for most people it's as much about fun, competition, value for the money they are spending as anything else. Where else can you have this much fun for this much money over a several month period? Sure it's more fun when you win, but you better hope it's about more than that. Because very few people make a true profit.
[/QUOTE]4D,

I see your point, and while some people build things, play in basketball leagues, read, write, do crossword puzzles, etc. this is MY "hobby" (and many others too).

I DO agree that all the hours I and many others put into this could probably be spent "making more money", but if you can get back at LEAST what you invest, money isn't lost, just time (not going into how much is "time worth" etc.)

My point to all of this was trying to disprove that this game is 40% luck, and 65%-70% luck this year. If that in fact was true, it certainly is funny how some people are CONSISTENTLY luckier than others.

I do see your point about this being "fun" for most people, and agree it is what makes most people play.

Simply trying to understand Snake's view on the "luck" factor.

[ November 27, 2007, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

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Post by mkrucek » Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:44 am

Billy, maybe it's just me but if we took all the time that everyone in the NFFC spends on fantasy football and put it into understanding a reptile that speaks in the third person would we even come close?
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Post by renman » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:23 am

Snake,

1- I was not trying to win a "most injured team" award because I think injuries are part of the game. My point is that some people see injuries as a challenge to their skills as a team manager and try to rise to the challenge to still succeed. Other people whine about injuries and use them as an excuse for failing.

2- Not only did I not comprehend most of what you said, no one who reads these posts does.

3- You are lost if you think your main team was somehow MORE INJURED than mine or that of many others in the event.

carry on

[ November 27, 2007, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: renman ]

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Post by sportsbettingman » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:29 am

Without injuries...we'd have an entirely different crop of fantasy players at the top each season.

Would an injury hit season show more skill than a season that went injury free for all NFL players?

I wonder?

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Post by BillyWaz » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:37 am

Good question Lance!

I actually don't have an answer because arguments could easily be made for both sides.

Fantasy Football and injuries is/are comparable to a Bull and Bear market IMO, where the quality players will "survive" in injury laden years and years where injuries are not as prevalent.

[ November 27, 2007, 02:38 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

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Post by sportsbettingman » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:42 am

Very true, Billy.

Good comparison.

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Post by Coltsfan » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:34 am

Originally posted by SNAKE:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
Snake,

Your thoughts? 1) based on the posts on this thread alone SNAKE is afraid that you fall rather short here Rainman...Jersey Paul, Diesel, Wallbangers, Colts Fan and yes even SNAKE finish ahead of you for this much coveted award of Most Injury-depleted Team 2007
[/QUOTE]I'm listed as being injury depleted - which I was after losing time with 6 out of my first 7 draft picks to injuries. But we didn't stop, we've worked the waiver wire very effectively and as of today we are tied for first place in the league at 8-4 and we are third in points (only behind 2nd by 25 points.) We also will qualify for the playoffs by being in the top 10% if we score approximately 161 points this next week.

Injuries suck, especially when you walk out of the drafting feeling like you have a very good team, but it's almost just as fun trying to win games with waiver wire replacements. For us this year Kurt Warner has been a great pickup as well as DJ Hackett the past few weeks. Anyways, after a 5 game win streak we are very close to at least cashing this year.


Wayne

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Post by BillyWaz » Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:09 am

Originally posted by Coltsfan:
quote:Originally posted by SNAKE:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
Snake,

Your thoughts? 1) based on the posts on this thread alone SNAKE is afraid that you fall rather short here Rainman...Jersey Paul, Diesel, Wallbangers, Colts Fan and yes even SNAKE finish ahead of you for this much coveted award of Most Injury-depleted Team 2007
[/QUOTE]Injuries suck, especially when you walk out of the drafting feeling like you have a very good team, but it's almost just as fun trying to win games with waiver wire replacements. For us this year Kurt Warner has been a great pickup as well as DJ Hackett the past few weeks. Anyways, after a 5 game win streak we are very close to at least cashing this year.

Wayne
[/QUOTE]Good for you guys, hope you get in "the show".

Kudos to you guys really working the waiver wire. That is a VERY underrated part of this game, and one the starter of this post does not want to discuss for obvious reasons.

Like Renman said, some people deal with injuries, and some make excuses.

Best of luck, I will be pulling for you!

[ November 27, 2007, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

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