Help! Right now w/ Lineup submission!!

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:55 pm

Originally posted by 3INTBOY:

I have simply set a lineup. No regard for who was a FLEX player. FLEX is a listed lineup position. You can't have "no regard" for it.

It's one of the lineup slots that MUST be filled, and once that player has kicked off, it is locked.

This is a no brainer.

Nag' · Post by **Nag'** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:57 pm

The starting lineup is set on Sunday morning with 2 RBs, 4 WRs and 1 TE. One of these wrs HAS to go into the Flex spot. Let's assume that wr in the Flex plays in the early game. Before the Sunday night game, the owner wants to make a switch in his starting lineup and remove one of the wrs and replace him with a TE, making the starting lineup 2 rbs, 3 wrs, 2 tes, a lineup which is PERFECTLY legal according to the NFFC rules YET the current software will not allow this move!! How is this owner suppose to realize that the software will not allow him to change from one VALID lineup to another one?

I believe the point that 3intboy is trying to prove is that the Flex is a "floating" position. It can be a 3rd running back, a 4th wideout or a 2nd tight end. As long as the starting lineup is VALID, we should be able to have flexibility to change it any which way we want as long as it remains a VALID starting line up.

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:57 pm

Originally posted by Ted's Cracked Head:
By definition the Flex player can be set from any of the three positions listed and this league uniquely gives the owners the ability to make lineup changes up until game time for even the Monday night games. I find it strange that the "flex" position can be "locked" before the last game has started. This makes no sense and would seem to limit an owners ability to field his "best" team and sort of mocks the rule to allow these "late" changes.

The "Flex" position should offer complete flexibility in fielding your best team. There can never be a circumstance where an owner can move a locked player.

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:03 pm

Originally posted by 3INTBOY:
I do have harsh words:

But thanks for the apology. NP-Heated day and I want to win and score as many points as possible.

I would say UYT.

If this has happened to you, why would you NOT be my backup on this?

This should never have happened. It is a computer "glitch"

If it happened last year and even 1 person complained it SHOULD have been:

1- In the rules.

2- Displayed, discussed, explained SOMEWHERE on these boards.

There is no "fact" here. Flex spot, means flexible. It is NOT a locked position.
TE,WR,RB is a locked position that fills the Flex spot once lineups are fully locked.

I deserve the points Marion Barber scored. Until someone shows me where I am locked into starting a FLEX as a FLEX. I'll post the lineup rules again if I need to. But as a reminder it only says what spots need to be filled.

3' Where does it say, "FLEX IS NOT A POSITION" ????

How is it not a position?

When I fill out my lineup there IS a position marked "RB/WR/TE", which I safely assume to mean the flex "POSITION"

And I did hose myself in a SAT league this week and never thought it was NFFC's problem.

Superpion · Post by **Superpion** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:07 pm

Originally posted by Nag':
The starting lineup is set on Sunday morning with 2 RBs, 4 WRs and 1 TE. One of these wrs HAS to go into the Flex spot. Let's assume that wr in the Flex plays in the early game. Before the Sunday night game, the owner wants to make a switch in his starting lineup and remove one of the wrs and replace him with a TE, making the starting lineup 2 rbs, 3 wrs, 2 tes, a lineup which is PERFECTLY legal according to the NFFC rules YET the current software will not allow this move!! How is this owner suppose to realize that the software will not allow him to change from one VALID lineup to another one?

I believe the point that 3intboy is trying to prove is that the Flex is a "floating" position. It can be a 3rd running back, a 4th wideout or a 2nd tight end. As long as the starting lineup is VALID, we should be able to have flexibility to change it any which way we want as long as it remains a VALID starting line up. I wholeheartedly disagree with Nag's point. If it were merely a matter of submitting whatever lineup that you wish, there would be no WR/RB/TE position. You would simply submit a "valid" lineup with a 3rd RB or a 4th WR or a 2nd TE and the system would recognize it as such....BUT, the system is not set up this way.

When you are setting starters, each of the above listed position players has a drop down box with 2 choices: THEIR POSITION & the WR/RB/TE position. Logic dictates that there would be no distinction in the drop down box if the "FLEX" could just be any of the above without making an explicit indication.

Each and every one of us on a weekly basis has to designate one of our position players as a WR/RB/TE. Clearly, that is a specific position in our lineup AND the rules state that a player's position is locked once his game has started. Therefore, Chambers is locked at WR/RB/TE since his game has been played and in the future, one should leave a relevant late game starter in that position to ensure roster flexibility.

That is all I have to say. Enjoy my opinion as it is correct and superior.

[ October 23, 2005, 08:23 PM: Message edited by: Superpion ]

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:11 pm

Originally posted by Nag':
The starting lineup is set on Sunday morning with 2 RBs, 4 WRs and 1 TE. One of these wrs HAS to go into the Flex spot. Let's assume that wr in the Flex plays in the early game.
The POINT is ... the WR in the early game should NEVER go in the Flex spot or it is no longer flexable. The early game WR should always go in a WR spot ... there is absolutly no reason to do otherwise. I agree that the software could eliminate the need to do this in the future ... but for now ... this is a no brainer for some ... and a learning curve for others.

If you didn't like it last year ... you should have tried to change it before the year started ... or at least had Greg clerify it in the rules. Where were you on this?

UYT

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:15 pm

Originally posted by 3INTBOY:

. Starting Lineup Requirements: Starting lineups will consist of:

1 Quarterback
2 Running Backs
3 Wide Receivers
1 Tight End
1 Flex Player (RB, WR or TE)
1 Kicker
1 Team Defense/Specials Team

Right here, you have posted that the FLEX PLAYER is different position.

It has an identity that is different than the other six game positions.

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:17 pm

Look at the bright side 3INTBOY,

Maybe there is a cash prize for starting a topic with the most posts the first day!

UYT

TradeStar28 · Post by **TradeStar28** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:17 pm

3INT, I hate to admit but you should not get any more points. Chris Chambers is your flex player @ the flex position.

Look @ my lineup, and you will see Warrick Dunn @ the flex position. Thats because Mr. Dunn plays on MNF!

btw, nice win...congrats

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:18 pm

Once Chambers played, he is LOCKED no matter where he is. IMO, that isn't difficult to understand.

If your reasoning on this was true, then if Chambers had a HORRIBLE game you could delete him from your lineup???

Even if you said "no", as you just want to switch him to WR, WHY should you be able to move someone's position AFTER they have played????

Again 3 INT, I play in one local league with a flex, and MR. Sports. In both, once the game has started, they are froze and cannot be moved.

3 weeks ago, I had Hines Ward. I PURPOSELY put him in as my flex as he was VERY questionable against San Diego on Monday night. The reason was that I had Bettis on my bench. Had Hines not gone, I could have played Bettis.

Holt screwed you as he was SUPPOSED to play, but as I said earlier, "it is a lesson learned".