Where Did NFFC Champs Draft From In 2007?
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Tom Kessenich
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Where Did NFFC Champs Draft From In 2007?
The bottom line is there's no perfect system because the game will unfold in ways nobody can predict with 100 percent accuracy. However, giving the owner as much control over the draft process is a huge plus in my opinion. You're now getting the opportunity to pick from one of the top positions you want. That places more emphasis on strategy and it puts the burden of quality drafting where it belongs - on the owner himself or herself.
Tom Kessenich
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Greg Ambrosius
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Where Did NFFC Champs Draft From In 2007?
Originally posted by bald is beautiful:
I could have puked when I read about the Bonzai method above. Ridiculous. No offense meant to you, Russ, but all these things are gimmicks.
The only thing that would truly level the playing field is when all fantasy players have the same ability and adeptness to analyze players.
Do you think it is coincidence that Jules McLean took Wes Welker in both the NFFC and WCOFF way before ADP? Or does she has an ability to recognize talent + opportunity = value, when others do not? The challenge is to draft the right players at the right time.
I won my league last year drafting Travis Henry out of the 12th hole in the first round. That was a terrible pick. 3RR, Bonzai, etc. does not help terrible picking. There will be no puking on these boards. Somebody has to clean that up after you're done.
Carry on Champ. 
I could have puked when I read about the Bonzai method above. Ridiculous. No offense meant to you, Russ, but all these things are gimmicks.
The only thing that would truly level the playing field is when all fantasy players have the same ability and adeptness to analyze players.
Do you think it is coincidence that Jules McLean took Wes Welker in both the NFFC and WCOFF way before ADP? Or does she has an ability to recognize talent + opportunity = value, when others do not? The challenge is to draft the right players at the right time.
I won my league last year drafting Travis Henry out of the 12th hole in the first round. That was a terrible pick. 3RR, Bonzai, etc. does not help terrible picking. There will be no puking on these boards. Somebody has to clean that up after you're done.
Carry on Champ. Founder, National Fantasy Football Championship & National Fantasy Baseball Championship
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Where Did NFFC Champs Draft From In 2007?
Originally posted by bald is beautiful:
I could have puked when I read about the Bonzai method above. Ridiculous. No offense meant to you, Russ, but all these things are gimmicks.
The only thing that would truly level the playing field is when all fantasy players have the same ability and adeptness to analyze players.
Do you think it is coincidence that Jules McLean took Wes Welker in both the NFFC and WCOFF way before ADP? Or does she has an ability to recognize talent + opportunity = value, when others do not? The challenge is to draft the right players at the right time.
I won my league last year drafting Travis Henry out of the 12th hole in the first round. That was a terrible pick. 3RR, Bonzai, etc. does not help terrible picking. That's why this country is great. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
For every great player like Jules who took Welker, there were great players grabbing Travis Henry or Donovan McNabb in every draft possible. Some talent doesn't perform as expected.
While I agree that you have to draft the right players, there is something to be said about 13 of 26 league champions came from slots 1-3.
This cannot be discounted. I get it you don't care for 3RR or Bonzai. All I'm saying is there are different draft methods.
In all reality, it's possible for the draft to go 1-14 every round and someone to win a league from the 14 hole.
As a matter of fact, here is a team that could have been drafted from the 14 hole in EVERY round last year in Tampa 1:
TO
Portis
M. Barber III
Romo
Galloway
Kellen Winslow
Wes Welker
Brandon Marshall
I'd venture a guess that this team would finish top 3 in EVERY league last year.
I'm of the opinion that we should give every competitor the fairest chance to compete. 3RR is close, Bonzai is better at doing this, Auction is ideal.
Like I said, I'm good where we're at, just thinking of possibilities down the road.
I could have puked when I read about the Bonzai method above. Ridiculous. No offense meant to you, Russ, but all these things are gimmicks.
The only thing that would truly level the playing field is when all fantasy players have the same ability and adeptness to analyze players.
Do you think it is coincidence that Jules McLean took Wes Welker in both the NFFC and WCOFF way before ADP? Or does she has an ability to recognize talent + opportunity = value, when others do not? The challenge is to draft the right players at the right time.
I won my league last year drafting Travis Henry out of the 12th hole in the first round. That was a terrible pick. 3RR, Bonzai, etc. does not help terrible picking. That's why this country is great. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
For every great player like Jules who took Welker, there were great players grabbing Travis Henry or Donovan McNabb in every draft possible. Some talent doesn't perform as expected.
While I agree that you have to draft the right players, there is something to be said about 13 of 26 league champions came from slots 1-3.
This cannot be discounted. I get it you don't care for 3RR or Bonzai. All I'm saying is there are different draft methods.
In all reality, it's possible for the draft to go 1-14 every round and someone to win a league from the 14 hole.
As a matter of fact, here is a team that could have been drafted from the 14 hole in EVERY round last year in Tampa 1:
TO
Portis
M. Barber III
Romo
Galloway
Kellen Winslow
Wes Welker
Brandon Marshall
I'd venture a guess that this team would finish top 3 in EVERY league last year.
I'm of the opinion that we should give every competitor the fairest chance to compete. 3RR is close, Bonzai is better at doing this, Auction is ideal.
Like I said, I'm good where we're at, just thinking of possibilities down the road.
2008- Didn't finish last overall in the Classic.
2009- Didn't finish last overall in the Classic or Primetime.
2009- Didn't finish last overall in the Classic or Primetime.
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ultimatefs
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Where Did NFFC Champs Draft From In 2007?
Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I'm looking for the common denominator and not finding it. I can find it. The best TEAMS won.
We've spent years debating if ONE player can make the difference.
We are now up to TWO players not making a difference.
This debate will end when people realize it takes an entire team of guys producing well to win at this level.
And yes, that means getting less injuries than most also. That's always been part of the recipe, and not just this year.
I'm looking for the common denominator and not finding it. I can find it. The best TEAMS won.
We've spent years debating if ONE player can make the difference.
We are now up to TWO players not making a difference.
This debate will end when people realize it takes an entire team of guys producing well to win at this level.
And yes, that means getting less injuries than most also. That's always been part of the recipe, and not just this year.
Jules is a Dirt bag and makes my luck.
Where Did NFFC Champs Draft From In 2007?
As Greg has stated innumerable times...3RR, in its current form, is here to stay; so I suppose all this is somewhat of a moot point. But I agree with Russ; when 3RR was first being discussed 16 or 18 months ago I thought what was being discussed was what is now referred to as the Bonzai method. I actually liked that and believed it did help balance the later slots with the earlier slots. But, as it was introduced, I initially thought that 3RR gave an additional slight advantage to the the early slots and I still believe that. I also suspect that 95%+ of all KDS's this year will be set to the early slots. Even with the Bonzai method I'd still guess a large percentage of participants would still choose an early slot but that percentage would decrease from 95%+. I know, personally even with Bonzai, I'd still set my KDS at 1-2-3.......but I wouldn't like those early slots nearly as much with Bonzai as I do with 3RR.
Hope this doesn't cause you to regurgitate Jack.
Hope this doesn't cause you to regurgitate Jack.
Where Did NFFC Champs Draft From In 2007?
Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I'm looking for the common denominator and not finding it. I can find it. The best TEAMS won.
We've spent years debating if ONE player can make the difference.
We are now up to TWO players not making a difference.
This debate will end when people realize it takes an entire team of guys producing well to win at this level.
And yes, that means getting less injuries than most also. That's always been part of the recipe, and not just this year. [/QUOTE]EUREKA!!!! who would have guessed...Skill + a little luck equates to success. Damn... I was hoping all I had to do to beat Jules this year was draft Brady..oh well.
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I'm looking for the common denominator and not finding it. I can find it. The best TEAMS won.
We've spent years debating if ONE player can make the difference.
We are now up to TWO players not making a difference.
This debate will end when people realize it takes an entire team of guys producing well to win at this level.
And yes, that means getting less injuries than most also. That's always been part of the recipe, and not just this year. [/QUOTE]EUREKA!!!! who would have guessed...Skill + a little luck equates to success. Damn... I was hoping all I had to do to beat Jules this year was draft Brady..oh well.
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Route Collectors
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Originally posted by Route C:
Back to the topic......what about Welker as a common denominator? His ADP was 8/14.
With that kind of value I'm curious how many $$$$ teams had him.
One more is Engram at 14/14. WTF! Seriously...is this a thread about 3RR.
What a waste of time posting just to get run over by the hijack truck.
No wonder Scott answered himself with all this A.D.D. going on.
It's damn near impossible to keep a football conversation on topic with this group.
All you did now was pi$$ me off and give me another reason to kick some serious ace this year....starting May 5th!
[ April 16, 2008, 08:02 PM: Message edited by: Route C ]
Back to the topic......what about Welker as a common denominator? His ADP was 8/14.
With that kind of value I'm curious how many $$$$ teams had him.
One more is Engram at 14/14. WTF! Seriously...is this a thread about 3RR.
What a waste of time posting just to get run over by the hijack truck.
No wonder Scott answered himself with all this A.D.D. going on.
It's damn near impossible to keep a football conversation on topic with this group.
All you did now was pi$$ me off and give me another reason to kick some serious ace this year....starting May 5th!
[ April 16, 2008, 08:02 PM: Message edited by: Route C ]
Where Did NFFC Champs Draft From In 2007?
Originally posted by Route C:
quote:Originally posted by Route C:
Back to the topic......what about Welker as a common denominator? His ADP was 8/14.
With that kind of value I'm curious how many $$$$ teams had him.
One more is Engram at 14/14. WTF! Seriously...is this a thread about 3RR.
What a waste of time posting just to get run over by the hijack truck.
No wonder Scott answered himself with all this A.D.D. going on.
It's damn near impossible to keep a football conversation on topic with this group.
All you did now was pi$$ me off and give me another reason to kick some serious ace this year....starting May 5th! [/QUOTE]:goodposting:
quote:Originally posted by Route C:
Back to the topic......what about Welker as a common denominator? His ADP was 8/14.
With that kind of value I'm curious how many $$$$ teams had him.
One more is Engram at 14/14. WTF! Seriously...is this a thread about 3RR.
What a waste of time posting just to get run over by the hijack truck.
No wonder Scott answered himself with all this A.D.D. going on.
It's damn near impossible to keep a football conversation on topic with this group.
All you did now was pi$$ me off and give me another reason to kick some serious ace this year....starting May 5th! [/QUOTE]:goodposting:
2008- Didn't finish last overall in the Classic.
2009- Didn't finish last overall in the Classic or Primetime.
2009- Didn't finish last overall in the Classic or Primetime.
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Route Collectors
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Originally posted by SNAKE:
...ISHO judging the merits of 3RR based on one year's results (especially in the most topsy-turvy, injury-filled year of FF ever) is akin to analyzing the sexual performances of century old males over a 10 minute span within 1 minute of downing Viagra (which takes approximately 30 minutes to produce desired results)...SNAKE Quite possibly your dumbest post this month. :rolleyes:
...ISHO judging the merits of 3RR based on one year's results (especially in the most topsy-turvy, injury-filled year of FF ever) is akin to analyzing the sexual performances of century old males over a 10 minute span within 1 minute of downing Viagra (which takes approximately 30 minutes to produce desired results)...SNAKE Quite possibly your dumbest post this month. :rolleyes: