Best h2h format for 2005 ?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:00 pm

Originally posted by JerseyPaul:
I'm still considering my baseball activities, Gordon. So many nice choices, but I do prefer auctions. I just wish I knew more about how to win a roto style game.
$650 makes a nice entry point. low cost, and a nice reward with 16-18 teams.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:04 pm

Originally posted by JerseyPaul:
Roto is a funny animal. Is a 4 category good player better than a 3 category stud? I have no idea how to measure that other than published $ amounts. I've tried some of my own algorithms but I'm not sure it was any better than the mags. i didn't play in the NFBC auction last year because i think it's silly to separate the auctions into two events (NL only and AL only). if they get the mixed going, i'll be in. i've had some success in local auction leagues, but haven't gone after the big guns...yet.

[ November 30, 2004, 07:10 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:47 pm

Here is a different point that I don't believe anyone's brought up yet.
If it is important that the best team wins the most cash then why don't we modify the playoff handicapping? Starting out with your weekly avg. seems to only benefit the weaker teams. The liklihood of a lesser team winning because they get hot for three weeks is much higher when a 260 pt. lead only translates into a 20 pt. advantage.

C'mon - you can make up 20 pts. in the first week EEEEEEEASY! So a guy like Team New, who's lead this thing for most of the year, basically gets NOTTA.

When the playoffs roll around everyone wants a chance to win it all - myself included. I'm not suggesting that we hand the championship to the leader after 13 weeks, the last 3 weeks have to mean something.

I don't know about you but I think leading the ENTIRE field at the end of the regular season has gotta be worth something. Especially when you've dominated the event like Team New has this year. The NFL gives out first round byes and home field advantage. If we're going to constantly refer to the NFL in our structure, then we should address this issue as well.

Either reward the leader with a cash prize and start the field even or handicap it to a greater degree. That is if we truely want the best team to cash out.

Thoughts?

RC

kjduke · Post by **kjduke** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:57 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by JerseyPaul:
Roto is a funny animal. Is a 4 category good player better than a 3 category stud? I have no idea how to measure that other than published $ amounts. I've tried some of my own algorithms but I'm not sure it was any better than the mags. i didn't play in the NFBC auction last year because i think it's silly to separate the auctions into two events (NL only and AL only). if they get the mixed going, i'll be in. i've had some success in local auction leagues, but haven't gone after the big guns...yet. [/QUOTE]GG - It isnt silly to ff baseball players because there are a lot of hardcore NL/AL-only players out there.

Also, its a very long season with many more relevant players, 15-20 per tm vs 4-5 in the NFL. So one MLB lge requires knowledge of almost twice as many players as the entire NFL. Not to mention the season is 50% longer - and it isnt easy to luck into a good tm the way you can in FF.

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:38 pm

RC, good post

Here's how it's done in multi-session bridge tournaments, usually 2 sessions to qualify and 2 sessions for the finals...

The maximum carryover is pretty much the difference between a one session average score and the top score. In our terms the average is probably about 120 and top 170, or a 50 point difference.

Teams in the finals get a percentage of the carryover. The lowest qualifier gets 0 and the top qualifier gets 50 (all of the max carryover). All others are prorated as a percentage of 50 based on where there score falls between the top qualifier and the lowest qualifier.

The 50 point difference can be made up, but it would take a lot more to accomplish that.

Example:

Top qualifier (Team New) at 2000. Lowest qualifier, Team Z at 1700. Team New gets 50, Team Z gets 0. Team M, at 1850 gets 25 points. If there was a team at 1970, it would get 90% of 50 or 45.

The spread could be set arbitrarily so it would be the same every year or it could be set as a formula. It would wind up to be much greater than the differences in averages for the lowest qualifiers, which is fair.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:19 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:
GG - It isnt silly to ff baseball players because there are a lot of hardcore NL/AL-only players out there. it can be hardcore and still be silly. mutually exclusive. to clarify, i'm not saying owners are silly, just that the set-up (player universe) is silly. next year, let's have AFC and NFC auctions.

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:54 pm

Great post RC! I agree that there should be an additional prize to the $5,000 (if they had best record) for the person who scores the most points for the entire season.

As for the advantage, what about doubling, or even tripling the weekly average? So instead of Team NEW starting with a measley 20 point lead (which can be made up quickly), start him off with a 40-60 point lead? That may discourage owners in the long run, but there needs to be a bigger reward for dominating 13 weeks (not just getting hot in Weeks 14-16).

TamuScarecrow · Post by **TamuScarecrow** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:20 am

you're funny scarecrow. you sound like my mom. trying to tell me i can't watch SpongeBob.I'll be 50 on New Year's Eve and you are not by a long shot so consider it words from the wise. I remember when I was your age and thought 50 year old people were stupid. My how things change.

By the way, if you're in first and Dyv were in second, would you want to share part of the $100K?

As for this week, Tamus, anything can happen but I won't be watching closely as I'm in the playoffs and a win or loss won't have much impact (except for bragging rights). My concentration will be on the main event where I'm going for 3rd place holding about a 20 point edge over my closest rival and the Auction where again I have a lock for the playoffs but the chance for a round 1 bye is still alive.Good luck, JP.

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:02 am

Originally posted by JerseyPaul:

Example:

Top qualifier (Team New) at 2000. Lowest qualifier, Team Z at 1700. Team New gets 50, Team Z gets 0. Team M, at 1850 gets 25 points. If there was a team at 1970, it would get 90% of 50 or 45.

The spread could be set arbitrarily so it would be the same every year or it could be set as a formula. It would wind up to be much greater than the differences in averages for the lowest qualifiers, which is fair. I REALLY like this idea JP. It kind of mirrors what NASCAR did this year. The spread being the same every year would allow us to track the playoff "chances" of 1-32 every year. I'm assuming it would have the same point cap even when we add more teams, just more of a logjam in the middle? It would still be nice to throw a little cash at the leader prior to the playoff round, if possible.

JP, that is one of the better solutions I've read all year on the MB. Nice job!

RC

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:05 am

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
Great post RC! I agree that there should be an additional prize to the $5,000 (if they had best record) for the person who scores the most points for the entire season.

As for the advantage, what about doubling, or even tripling the weekly average? So instead of Team NEW starting with a measley 20 point lead (which can be made up quickly), start him off with a 40-60 point lead? That may discourage owners in the long run, but there needs to be a bigger reward for dominating 13 weeks (not just getting hot in Weeks 14-16). I think JP's idea accomplishes this. Do you agree?