NFFC Rules Survey Going Out This Week

[Glenneration X]

If this ends up changed, here's something else to keep in mind though:
1) If an offensive player like Edelman lines up as a cornerback and returns a pick 6, does HE get the points AND the DST? What if he fumbles? He AND the DST lose 1 point, right?
2) What about a hail mary where the offense's tallest WRs are playing defense and intercept the ball? Two points each for the DST AND the WR?
For consistency, I think the answer to these would have to be "yes", unless the new rule is restricted to just special teams. Food for thought.

Mike, I've noticed that on occassion you have the tendency to overcomplicate things just a tad. Your above post would be Exhibit A.

[Sandman62]

Mike, I've noticed that on occassion you have the tendency to overcomplicate things just a tad. Your above post would be Exhibit A.

Just suggesting that the rules clarify one way or the other: "an offensive player will always get/lose points whenever he's on the field" or "only as part of offense and special teams", or perhaps even "only as part of offense and return TDs on special teams".

I was just looking ahead because these type of events will eventually occur. Sorry it rubbed you the wrong way.

[Glenneration X]

Mike, I've noticed that on occassion you have the tendency to overcomplicate things just a tad. Your above post would be Exhibit A.

Just suggesting that the rules clarify one way or the other: "an offensive player will always get/lose points whenever he's on the field" or "only as part of offense and special teams", or perhaps even "only as part of offense and return TDs on special teams".

I was just looking ahead because these type of events will eventually occur. Sorry it rubbed you the wrong way.

Didn't rub me the wrong way at all......I should have included a . Good luck the rest of the way Bud. The fun's just started.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Greg,

I was hoping to see a question regarding:

Should team defenses/special teams be penalized for points given up when they are not even on the field?

i.e. Pick 6 or fumble by offense leading to a defensive td.

I have been doing fantasy football for over 15+ years, and have never seen this in any league. Is there a good reason why this is the way it is?

Am I the only one here that feels that team defenses shouldn't be penalized for a boneheaded mistake by their qb. I only drafted the team's defense/special teams, not the team's offense.

Could you include this question in the second survey?

We certainly aren't the only fantasy contest or fantasy commissioner product to score defensive points allowed this way. In fact, this is how the NFL recognizes points allowed as well. It's unfortunate, as you say for the defense, but the NFL does score it this way. I do not see us changing that part of our defensive scoring at this point.

[Money]

Greg,

I was hoping to see a question regarding:

Should team defenses/special teams be penalized for points given up when they are not even on the field?

i.e. Pick 6 or fumble by offense leading to a defensive td.

I have been doing fantasy football for over 15+ years, and have never seen this in any league. Is there a good reason why this is the way it is?

Am I the only one here that feels that team defenses shouldn't be penalized for a boneheaded mistake by their qb. I only drafted the team's defense/special teams, not the team's offense.

Could you include this question in the second survey?

I agree as well and believe it should've been a survey question.

There is no harm in asking the question.

[CALI CARTEL]

Greg, it basically boils down to this...

Defenses are pretty fickle, especially when you have a PA scale that ends at 17 points against -- there's very little leeway to earn those points from the PA scale. When your Defensive/Special Team's QB throws a Pick-Six or their RB fumbles a ball for a Return TD, why should your Defensive/Special Team be penalized?

If you are selecting a "Defensive/Special Team", then Points Allowed should only be counted against if they are scored by the opposing Offense/Special Team. Yahoo uses this system, if Yahoo's doing it, then it's pretty simplistic in nature. Basically all Defensive TD's and Safeties do not count as Points Against the opposing Defense, it's not that radical of an idea and would be a much better use of those 17 PA's that our defenses get.

Also, who determined the tiers in the Points Allowed scale? They make no sense at all
Why is the break on the 2nd tier 7-12 PA?
Wouldn't this make a lot more sense, especially with the higher scoring NFL today?
12 pts = Shutout
8 pts = 2 to 6 PA
4 pts = 7 to 13 PA
2 pts = 14 to 20 PA
Each tier is a full 7 points, rather than a weird 6 point grouping in the 7-12 tier that makes it so if you are sitting at 6 PA and give up a TD, you drop two full tiers from 8 fantasy points down to 2 fantasy points (this happened on the crazy Packer/Seattle Monday Night play, and I won a game because of it, so I'm not bitching about the system because it negatively affected me, just don't think it makes sense as currently setup).

[ChiTwn]

Greg, it basically boils down to this...

Defenses are pretty fickle, especially when you have a PA scale that ends at 17 points against -- there's very little leeway to earn those points from the PA scale. When your Defensive/Special Team's QB throws a Pick-Six or their RB fumbles a ball for a Return TD, why should your Defensive/Special Team be penalized?

If you are selecting a "Defensive/Special Team", then Points Allowed should only be counted against if they are scored by the opposing Offense/Special Team. Yahoo uses this system, if Yahoo's doing it, then it's pretty simplistic in nature. Basically all Defensive TD's and Safeties do not count as Points Against the opposing Defense, it's not that radical of an idea and would be a much better use of those 17 PA's that our defenses get.

Also, who determined the tiers in the Points Allowed scale? They make no sense at all
Why is the break on the 2nd tier 7-12 PA?
Wouldn't this make a lot more sense, especially with the higher scoring NFL today?
12 pts = Shutout
8 pts = 2 to 6 PA
4 pts = 7 to 13 PA
2 pts = 14 to 20 PA
Each tier is a full 7 points, rather than a weird 6 point grouping in the 7-12 tier that makes it so if you are sitting at 6 PA and give up a TD, you drop two full tiers from 8 fantasy points down to 2 fantasy points (this happened on the crazy Packer/Seattle Monday Night play, and I won a game because of it, so I'm not bitching about the system because it negatively affected me, just don't think it makes sense as currently setup).

This, I couldn't have worded it better. The def PA scoring is such a drastic drop off, unless it is a shutout you barely get anything from it. Add on top of that pick 6 and def TDs, forget about it.

We certainly aren't the only fantasy contest or fantasy commissioner product to score defensive points allowed this way. In fact, this is how the NFL recognizes points allowed as well. It's unfortunate, as you say for the defense, but the NFL does score it this way. I do not see us changing that part of our defensive scoring at this point.

Well, the NFL also doesn't give out negative points to teams for turnovers. Saying the NFL does it this way, and this is the way we have always done it seems like a cop out answer to me.

I love playing here. Only want to see NFFC flourish. Next year I will be taking on more teams in a partnership.

All I ask is for this question to be included in the next survey. If people vote it up, great. Or if they vote it down, it will be so.