DraftKings employee wins fanduel 350K with Inside Informatio

[JETS SB]

suppose there are two players:

Player 1: knows the real-time % owned AND knows which players the "sharks" are "buying"
Player 2: plays it straight up. No "inside" info

If u think player 2 will make the same amount of money as player 1 in the long term, you are living in la la land. Sorry. No offense to anyone that falls into that category

Who exactly are the "sharks" ??? The guys who play 500 lineups per week or the guys who play 1 lineup 500 times? And just because the "sharks" are buying them or not buying them, does that mean they are going to play better ???

Sorry Mark, it doesnt matter who is buying who. Players dont play better based upon % owned in fantasy football and no one will convince me otherwise. And by the way, I live much farther from la la land than you do.

[Don Draper]

Alan, using examples we can both understand...
1. In the nfbc, If I knew the players Jupinka and childs were buying multiple times, I think that is an advantage to me
2. If I knew the adp from weekend one and was drafting only in weekend two, that is a definite advantage

Listen, if u don't see the angle these guys are using, you don't see it. No problem. But, I'll tell u, they'll love to see u and people like u sign up for their league. LOL

[Tom Kessenich]

I don't consider the allegation to be insider trading at this time unless there is word that DK and Fanduel employees were exchanging the information. I have not seen that allegation and I certainly hope that was not the case. Again, you don't believe there is significant value in knowing percent owned data. I think that is a huge variable in the game as do many others. And again, if it wasn't considered a huge variable this wouldn't have become the major issue it has become.

Tom, nearly every article I am reading on this story is either headlined or mentions "insider trading". That is what the public sees, whether it is the official accusation or not. This is not anything of the sort.

I never said that it was. I've explained quite clearly what my concerns are and how important this story is to the fantasy sports industry and why DK and Fanduel need to get out in front of this and be true industry leaders.

[renman]

This in a way (certainly not the same thing) reminds me of the wide spread notion that if a guy at a blackjack table plays "wrong" that he is going to contribute to others at the table losing. This is an absolute myth perpetuated by the gamblers mentality. Blackjack is a random game. The odds are already in the houses favor even if you play perfect percentage blackjack (not including card counting) because the player has to make his/her decision on taking a card and possibly busting or not before the dealer has to do anything. When someone at a table plays a hand "wrong" it obviously influences the card sequence. What gamblers remember is when the card sequence that got influenced by a bad play ultimately hurts them and leads to them losing a hand. What they do not remember is that there is an exactly equal chance that a wrong play changes the sequence of cards and leads to them winning a hand they would have lost. The game is random.

The advantage of knowing % owned, in my opinion, is an extremely small piece of information as it results in overall impact on DFS success. I also would argue most good players can predict % owners with relative accuracy. I still don't know why the info can't just be made available to everyone as teams are placed in contests. Anyone have an answer for that?

[Don Draper]

I still don't know why the info can't just be made available to everyone as teams are placed in contests. Anyone have an answer for that?

"sharks" will input some "dummy" players until there is one minute until lineup lock and then instantaneously switch them for their "real" players

[Fourslot40]

I still don't know why the info can't just be made available to everyone as teams are placed in contests. Anyone have an answer for that?

"sharks" will input some "dummy" players until there is one minute until lineup lock and then instantaneously switch them for their "real" players

+1 - Probably many outside of sharks would do this. It's the same reason why you wait out the odds at the sportsbook or track to see how it plays out.

[got heeem]

I still don't know why the info can't just be made available to everyone as teams are placed in contests. Anyone have an answer for that?

"sharks" will input some "dummy" players until there is one minute until lineup lock and then instantaneously switch them for their "real" players

Wow, smartest post yet.One of you really got the whole picture.All the big money players/or most of the players with many entrees,just play dummy players to mess up all the % till the last min then switch them all.So it really doesn't matter if you have the owned % before hand, as smart players could mess it up with last min switches.Just like going to the horse track.All the big money never gets played till almost post,then when the odds change a lot because of the big bets.It's to late for the small player to play or jump on some action.

[The Franchise]

I have been too busy to post often and I don't have the energy to post the long list of advantages that there are with knowing Player owned %, but I will post a couple of examples.

I have played enough to know the advantages and disadvantages that players face by having certain knowledge/information that most do not have......

1. I'm playing in a draft Kings $530 or $1060 or $5300 "Heads Up" vs Player X (Who's buddy has access to exclusive info). Player X takes a 20 pt lead on me as the 4PM games are ending. Player X calls buddy "Hey who does The Franchise have at RB in his lineup right now" Buddy looks and says "He has Charles left going on Monday night" Player X says "Perfect I have Lacy at $7600 so I will switch to Charles $7400 and block him" Game over I can't win! This example goes for 3 Man leagues and so on

2. Knowing % owned most certainly matters. Maybe not this week and maybe not last week because the players picked that are low owned need to hit, but in the long run high volume players will win more often with this information.

3. Example to Season-long football....... I'm not insinuating anything, I'm just giving an example. I work at NFFC or FFWC or FFPC take your pick. I have access to waiver bids before they close. I can see what & who Chad, Santos, Lowy, Hubbard, Vacarro, Martino, Wasosky and on and on are bidding. I go over to the other 2 contests I play at and put in a bid that I feel will win me that player/players that I want based on the information I have access to. Now of course that player has to "Hit" in order for it to work out, just like people have argued is the case with Daily and knowing % owned.................. BUT in the long run I have a distinct advantage over anyone else period.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

The biggest problem I have with things that are being discussed around the industry are not even what is being discussed here much. It has to do with scripts. For instance Maxdulury went apeshit in the NBA late in the season one night when Channing Frye became a useful player at the very last minutes before roster lock based on some scratches etc. While there would have been time to do a universal roster edit with my one roster or even a few to get accomplished in time, there was not time for him to optimally do it without scripts autmatcially doing it for him to optimize all of his lineups with Frye in there. Scripts were not supposed to be allowed unless Fanduel allowed you to use them. Yet somehow he was. When you allow a brilliant player to have other brilliant advantages over the field, I quit. This is how maxdulury has won so much. Processes should not be automated IMO. And I won't play again until they are not.

Nelson brought up some other good points. It is a shitstorm out there. I would be ready to identify the differences between full season and the daily games if I were a game operator. Daily got lumped in with them to get going. Full season could get lumped in with daily on the way out. I doubt it happens as the NFL, MLB, and NBA probably will do whatever they can to prevent it, but I would start preparing anyway. I am going to clean my accounts out in the meantime until I know the script issue is not going to put me at a disadvantage.

[ChiTwn]

The great Maxdalury is basically, a glorified programmer. I am sure he knows about the NBA, but its basically algos and math at this point for this guy. He is akin to a high frequency trader on wall street.

He has not done that many interviews, but just did one with mmqb.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/10/08/fand ... otball-dfs

Last section of the article.

I just pray these morons don't take season long on the way out like Chad says. Talk about fucking up decades worth of fun because of 2 to 3 years of greed.