2007 NFFC Plans

TradeStar28 · Post by **TradeStar28** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:28 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
greg - don't split up the pts against between the offense/defense. let's not make fantasy football too confusing to folks. Happy New year Gekk !

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:06 pm

Originally posted by FISHER:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
greg - don't split up the pts against between the offense/defense. let's not make fantasy football too confusing to folks. Happy New year Gekk !

[/QUOTE]You too boy!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:02 pm

I agree...it's an entire TEAM thing. The whole team tries to stop the opponent from scoring...depending on who's on the field at the time.

Happy Old Year...2006 was a blast!

I hope 2007 can hold a candle to 2006!

~Lance

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:11 pm

Lance, Did you get paid?

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:11 pm

Originally posted by renman:
We are not looking for sudden change to be put into the NFFC but are we not allowed to discuss the topic? I also know about 30 other fantasy football players who have brought up this issue over the years having nothing to do with the NFFC.

This is a valid point/topic. No need to mock it. I don't recall anybody saying you couldn't discuss the topic. Am I not allowed to throw out other circumstances we have no control over? I'm a Steve Smith owner, many times over and know Weinke has greatly diminished his value, lowering his scoring, just like the offenses you've mentioned have lowered your teams D scoring. If your points are valid, how are mine not? They are in the same realm of what you are saying; things that cannot be controlled.

If you would read what Greg has said, quite a few times, this will not be done due to many factors. There isn't an exact science in how you would score defensive/special teams TD's. Say a team intercepts the ball, they are now on offense, during the return they fumble, the defensive team recovers and scores.....how would this be scored? Same with a punt or kick return, if the receiving team fumbles and the kicking team recovers and scores, how would you score this?

KJ Duke already gave some good examples...
"Offensive teams that control the clock significantly reduce the amount of time that a defense has to stop the opponent.
- If a QB throws an INT and tackles the DEF player at the 1 yd line. Now that team's defense has to stop the opponent from gaining 1 yard - is that really much different from an offense that allows a pick for a TD? No."

There's way to many elements during the game to be factored in to implement what you are wanting.

The yards allowed argument doesn't have any merit either. I used to play in a league that awarded pts against as well as yards allowed and many weeks teams were beat due to the yards allowed scoring. Why should a teams D who is winning by 20+ pts, giving up a ton of yards due to playing prevent defense be "penalized" for their offense dominating the game? They shouldn't.

I totally understand what you are saying as it is very frustrating dealing with potential shutouts hampered by a score given up by the offense. Although I do wonder how many times one of your offensive players have benefited from their teams defense getting a turnover, providing them with a goal to go.....will you complain about this due to the offense basically having nothing to do with this golden opportunity?? It's all part of the game and we all have to deal with it week in and week out.

I know in my fantasy basketball leagues it's frustrating having one of my players "going off" only to end up on the bench due to their team blowing out the other team. Wouldn't we like them to remain in the game to provide more stats for our team?? Yes, of course. Meanwhile "scrub" players on the team being blown out are padding their stats due to the softer D. These things are part of the game and we just have to deal with them just the same as every other fantasy player on the planet. And I'm not like many on here who just like to argue with your points because of who you are, I just know what you are saying cannot be done with 100% accuracy. If I were mocking you I would call you Stimpy and ask if "you would like to buy some rubber nipples!"

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:16 pm

Originally posted by renman:
I now have seen 4 different people say Can I be a member of your frat? :rolleyes:

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:20 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
greg - don't split up the pts against between the offense/defense. let's not make fantasy football too confusing to folks. And on top of this, the NFL has always considered a team throwing an INT to be on D when the ball is being returned. They are in fact defending their goal.

TURBOUGH · Post by **TURBOUGH** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:34 am

Originally posted by Route C:
Greg...would there be any possibility of going into the playoffs with zero points? I've been on the other side of this debate in the past but now that you're giving a free entry to the points leader it seems like a good idea to start the playoffs from scratch. I agree with this 100%. In no professional sports does anyone get a point advantage before the game even starts.

TamuScarecrow · Post by **TamuScarecrow** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:37 am

Just saying what everyone else is saying here, points against is not indicative of how well the defense/special teams is playing. Sacks, INT'S, FR's, safeties, defensive and special teams scores are all plays made while those teams are on the field. Points against is a team thing and should not be used in FF scoring IMHO.

TURBOUGH · Post by **TURBOUGH** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:38 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by Route C:
Greg...would there be any possibility of going into the playoffs with zero points? I've been on the other side of this debate in the past but now that you're giving a free entry to the points leader it seems like a good idea to start the playoffs from scratch. Nope. I like the idea of rewarding regular season performances with some bit of an advantage. 1x your weekly scoring average is the least I would consider. [/QUOTE]Why reward someone after the regular season after you've already rewarded them with money?

If you're at the bottom of the contenders, its very difficult overcome the other 70+ people in front of you.