2012 Thursday Games

alanr824 · Post by **alanr824** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:12 am

Originally posted by Jersey Dawg:
The more I read and the more I think about it, 2 WW periods a week probably does solve all the issues.

I can't think of one reason why a WW on Weds night with only Thurs night players available is even part of the discussion. If there is a RB or WW or any player worth a bid playing Thursday everyone and his brother will bid on that player if they can't bid on onyone but Thursday players.

I guess I just changed my vote to 2 full WW's per week.

Nelson and the other great players will have to live with me getting some extra info on Friday, but by then they will have already scooped up the good/sneaky players Weds.

Pete The reason why the Wednesday night FAAB for just Thursday players is a good option is to limit the amount of time and work you will have to put into FAAB every week, if there were 2 full FAABs. It might take you 5-10 minutes to put in a claim for Thursday players, even if that. It is the best of all worlds to the fantasy player and if there is extra bidding on Thursday players because that is all they can bid on, then so be it. Teams only have $1,000 FAAB dollars. If they want to waste it on Thursday, let them. The only downfall I see from doing a Wednesday night FAAB for Thursday players, then a full FAAB on Friday is the software capabilities.

BLACKHAND · Post by **BLACKHAND** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:22 am

i cant see it being that much more work if wed ww was only for the thurs game. i will go along with whatever greg and tom does without making threats of doing less leagues. the only one i dislike alot is thurs.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:22 am

Originally posted by Al R G:
The only downfall I see from doing a Wednesday night FAAB for Thursday players, then a full FAAB on Friday is the software capabilities. Already addressed:

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Just an FYI: Frank's suggestion of doing FAAB on Wednesday for just the Thursday players can be done technically on our end with some caveats, while also running FAAB on Friday for the rest of the available players (other 30 teams).

renman · Post by **renman** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:25 am

I agree with GlennerationX. If I am investing this much money I want as much control as possible. I want to lessen the guess work and luck factor where we can.

As I said earlier, I also personally find the Faab/waiver process to be an enjoyable part of the game. Don't most people enjoy that? Don't they enjoy the strategy of what bid to make on a coveted player and then checking the results to see how they did? To me, this adds 2 fun moments per week as opposed to one. It removes some of the guesswork by having information later in the week rather than speculating on Weds. It offers protection for the unforeseen things that could happen later in the week.

This likely was answered before, but I have one other questions. Why don't we run faab on Saturday instead of Friday? I don't have strong feelings either way. I was just wondering.

Cocktails and Dreams · Post by **Cocktails and Dreams** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:34 am

Wednesday for Thursday players only is really awful idea in my opinion. That makes both waivers EXTREMELY BUSY as you have to compare all free agents to the Thursday ones. The double waiver, with all players Wednesday does not make Friday one quite as busy, but still has to be done and shouldn't need to have to be in my opinion. I also agree with Coyote. More skill on Wednesdays, frees up weekends for everyone, all players available, one waiver. Easily best solution in my opinion. Operators here and FFPC are smart and deduced Wednesday only was best for Thursday games in the past. Just because there are more of them doesn't mean it is sitll the best solution.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:36 am

Originally posted by THE_BLACKHAND:
i cant see it being that much more work if wed ww was only for the thurs game. i will go along with whatever greg and tom does without making threats of doing less leagues. the only one i dislike alot is thurs. Let's just all get on the same page with the technical possibility of two Waiver Wire periods THAT COULD BE DONE:

Wednesday at 8 or 9 p.m. EST would involve only free agents who are playing on Thursday Night and players cut wouldn't be allowed into the FAAB pool on Friday.

Friday FAAB at our same time would involve only free agents from the remaining 30 NFL teams.

We definitely could move up FAAB on Wednesday only for the Thanksgiving games.

Now again we haven't fully met on all of the ramifications of FAAB on Wednesday and then Friday again, but our IT department did look this over even this year and gave me the option to do this late season. We passed on it and discussed it again this week. I'd have to present all of the nuances of how this works later, but I'm just pointing out that the only discussion about a possible 2 WW option is what is described above and we think it can be done if the consensus wanted it.

Keep discussing. It's helping, and trust me we have not made up our minds on this decision, not even close.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:41 am

Originally posted by The Franchise:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:
If I'm not a 20-teamer, I'm damn close. Still, I don't get the reluctance, even venom, towards two waiver periods.

I played WCOFF and they had two waiver periods and honestly I did not find it to be that much more work. All the preparation for FAAB was done for the Wednesday waiver period. Anyone decent was picked on Wednesday. All that was left in waivers by Friday were players that nobody wanted or they would have also been picked up on Wednesday. In each league I was in, the Friday pickups typically consisted of one or two pickups per league for teams that had late injury news.

The slightly, and I stress slightly, more work was more than compensated by the ability to manage my teams in a way that took bad luck or late injury further out of the equation. If I'm investing $1K+ for a team, and if multiplied by 20, 20K total or more, I want that control, that ability to reduce luck. I'm sorry I just don't get why you wouldn't want to avoid the luck factor in a game which already has much too much of it with so much invested.

Considering that slight amount of extra work is further reduced by Frank's proposal, if achievable I'm totally for that option. Honestly, I am interested in this discussion. WCOFF apparently had two waiver wire periods before their demise and if I recall people wondered why we never went that way. I'm surprised that we're not hearing more from those people who experienced that process. Was it a better system or not? Just asking for input on this one. [/QUOTE]I found it to be more work Greg. No matter if most of the "good" players were taken in Wednesday's faab, I still felt like I needed to go through Friday's faab very thoroughly just because the option was there and didn't want to half azz it. That meant that now I'm in full faab mode for 2 nights out of the week instead of one. No matter how you slice it or how many players I picked up on Wednesday, I still felt the need to review Friday's faab very closely. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the input Nelson. So all of FAAB ran on Wednesday and then there was a followup FAAB on Friday for any remaining players? Is that how they ran it? If so, that's almost the opposite of what we'd be doing here. Interesting.

alanr824 · Post by **alanr824** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:46 am

Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:
Wednesday for Thursday players only is really awful idea in my opinion. That makes both waivers EXTREMELY BUSY as you have to compare all free agents to the Thursday ones. The double waiver, with all players Wednesday does not make Friday one quite as busy, but still has to be done and shouldn't need to have to be in my opinion. I also agree with Coyote. More skill on Wednesdays, frees up weekends for everyone, all players available, one waiver. Easily best solution in my opinion. Operators here and FFPC are smart and deduced Wednesday only was best for Thursday games in the past. Just because there are more of them doesn't mean it is sitll the best solution. I still agree that Wednesday only option is the best, as I have stated previously. Just trying to keep an open mind. Greg has made it clear that 2 full FAABs doesn't appear to be an option.

BLACKHAND · Post by **BLACKHAND** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:47 am

Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:
Wednesday for Thursday players only is really awful idea in my opinion. That makes both waivers EXTREMELY BUSY as you have to compare all free agents to the Thursday ones. The double waiver, with all players Wednesday does not make Friday one quite as busy, but still has to be done and shouldn't need to have to be in my opinion. I also agree with Coyote. More skill on Wednesdays, frees up weekends for everyone, all players available, one waiver. Easily best solution in my opinion. Operators here and FFPC are smart and deduced Wednesday only was best for Thursday games in the past. Just because there are more of them doesn't mean it is sitll the best solution. chad , you might not have to compare and pick thru the fa as it might be possible to only have that list by itself and the other 30 teams on different list. cant speak for greg and tom but im sure they can keep it apart.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:49 am

Originally posted by Jersey Dawg:
The more I read and the more I think about it, 2 WW periods a week probably does solve all the issues.

I can't think of one reason why a WW on Weds night with only Thurs night players available is even part of the discussion. If there is a RB or WW or any player worth a bid playing Thursday everyone and his brother will bid on that player if they can't bid on onyone but Thursday players.

I guess I just changed my vote to 2 full WW's per week.

Nelson and the other great players will have to live with me getting some extra info on Friday, but by then they will have already scooped up the good/sneaky players Weds.

Pete My question on this idea is: Does 2 WW periods double the work per team you have or are you still just preparing for Friday's FAAB and taking a few extra minutes to decide if you need anyone from Thursday's games? I mean, how many hours will it take to decide whether you need anyone from the Rams vs. Seahawks game on Thursday night or not? If no one from that game is worth bids, wouldn't you then just do your normal Friday FAAB process on the remaining 30 teams?

Again, I'm asking for input. If this is double the work and double the aggravation and double the confusion for all players, then it should be eliminated from the choices. I'm just looking for feedback on how much extra work -- and thus how many fewer teams everyone would do -- with 2 Waiver Wire periods. Thanks.

And if we determine this is a detriment to our game, then the elimination process goes back to either Wednesday night FAAB, Thursday afternoon FAAB or Friday night FAAB after the Thursday Night Game. A process of elimination is at hand....