Debate/ lobbying for FAAB slot bidding

kjduke · Post by **kjduke** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:50 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I think this example has already proven a point, that getting 28 owners and me to understand the concept is tough to do. I can't imagine getting everyone in line if we grew to 600+ teams. But anything is possible, I guess. But three owners never took the time to provide bids and that's what I'm afraid would happen if we opened this up to the masses and all of those people got stuck with the 13th and 14th picks because they didn't understand the draft bid process.

Issues

1) Its too complicated.
Anyone that can enter a FA bid can get this if it is handled on the site rather than manually.

2) Setting up the software.
Couldn't be simpler. All STATS would have to do is list draft slot position #1- #14 as if they were players being acquired. Each owner would enter bids in exactly the same manner as they would for a player. The only difference would be that all bids are automatically conditional, rather than "conditional" being an option. Their existing set-up should be able to run this without a problem.

3) Getting the bids.
If STATS runs the FAAB process, getting the bids in a timely manner is really no different than any other FA deadline that everyone must meet, just that it is pre-draft rather than post-draft. Obviously, the site has to be active and ready to go perhaps a week or so before the draft so everyone can get bids in and revise as they like. Give last minute signups until the following Monday at the normal FAAB deadline to get their bids in, and STATS processes it just like any other FA period. $0 bids get random assignment.

4) Owners that don't bid.
If no bids are rec'd, I'd assume those teams don't care where they draft from and are happy to let the chips fall where they will. They will be better off for having more FAAB dollars than those who spent $$ acquiring slots.

5) Does draft slot matter anyway?
The argument over whether or not slot position matters is both irrelevant and impossible to prove because of the following ... I (or anyone else) may have a certain strategy for a particular draft that works better from a certain slot ... for example ...

Lets say that I want Randy Moss for my #1 pick, knowing that he has gone #7-8 in virtually every draft this season, that is where I would want to pick from. If my strategy revolved around Priest, I would have wanted the #1. If I believed that Dominack Davis would perform on par with Priest and Ahman, I would've wanted #12-14 and would've hated to end up with the #1 slot, etc, etc ...

The bid process would eliminate some of the luck factor (I hated my #1 slot in NFBC and my #12 in NFFC), allowing owners to exercise greater strategic control over their team.

6) How would it affect your player base?
Could you lose a few guys that think its too complicated? Maybe. On the other hand, you could pick up as many players or even more who like the idea that they have more strategic control without the pick-out-of-hat random factor. In fact, it is a distinction that could even pull guys from another high-stakes league because they appreciate the concept and they won't get it elsewhere.

Bottom line ... bidding for slot position would be a GREAT addition for high stakes players! No more bitching about slot positions and no more excuses.

[ October 04, 2004, 07:11 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:27 pm

KJ DUKE, Start your own damn contest! Than you can make all the rules you want. I want to laugh when you go belly up.

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:41 pm

Originally posted by Walla Walla:
KJ DUKE, Start your own damn contest! Than you can make all the rules you want. I want to laugh when you go belly up. Walla Walla, that is a really an ignorant statement on so many levels.

Harsh words? Yes.

I'm Jersey Paul and I approve this message.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:57 pm

JerseyPaul, You've proven to to be the biggest ******* of them all. So go **** YOURSELF!!!!

True words? Yes.

I'm Walla Walla and I approve this message.

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:00 pm

Originally posted by Walla Walla:
JerseyPaul, You've proven to to be the biggest ******* of them all. So go **** YOURSELF!!!!

True words? Yes.

I'm Walla Walla and I approve this message. Pretty much the response we would expect.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:06 pm

Originally posted by Walla Walla:
JerseyPaul, You've proven to to be the biggest ******* of them all. So go **** YOURSELF!!!! bad form walla. sorry.

nnoy · Post by **nnoy** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:10 pm

What did you expect from WV?

kjduke · Post by **kjduke** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:14 pm

Originally posted by Walla Walla:
KJ DUKE, Start your own damn contest! Than you can make all the rules you want. I want to laugh when you go belly up. a - If I wanted to start my own contest I wouldn't post suggestions for this contest.

b - I am simply trying to analyze the pros and cons on a topic which was started by GG and furthered by Dyv.

c - The NFFC is open to suggestions and discussion which is what I am doing here.

d - I analyze businesses for a living with particular knowledge in both consumer- and internet-related industries, and I play fantasy sports for fun ... if I did start my own lge it wouldn't go belly.

e - my opinion only, say something good or bad - just make it worthwhile ... or zip it.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:18 pm

Gekko, I don't care. Really I don't. Of course you'd cover for a east coast guy that likes your idea. Is JP in this draft?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:24 pm

Originally posted by Walla Walla:
Gekko, I don't care. Really I don't. Of course you'd cover for a east coast guy that likes your idea. Is JP in this draft? actually JP and I don't see the same way on other issues. there's no east coast conspiracy going on.