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Greg and Tom have done a GREAT job promoting the NFFC the first year, and as long as they continue to make improvements, I don't see why they couldn't get the 602 entrants they are looking for.

I think if there are more "chances" to win money, the people who are "on the fence" would join in a heartbeat. Sounds right now as if there are a lot of "sour grapes" over not getting anything for a quality season (Vega$ Gmblers comes to mind, and after looking at his league, I can see his point).

43 leagues, with 14 owners, at $1,250 a pop is approximately $780,000.

Suggested payouts;

OVERALL

1st - $100,000
2nd - $50,000
3rd - $25,000
4th - $10,000
5th - $5,000
6th-8th- $2,000 each
9th-10th- Free entry to 2006 NFFC

END OF REGULAR SEASON MOST POINTS

1st - $4,000
2nd - $2,000
3rd - $1,000
4th-5th $500 each

HIGHEST WEEKLY SCORES (Keeps EVERYONE in it for the entire year and "may" help from teams going "dead" towards the end of each season)

1st - $1,500
2nd - $1,000
3rd - $500

LEAGUE PRIZES

Best Record - $4,000
Best Total Points - $3,000 (after best record)
Next Total Points - $1,000
Next Best Record - $500 (TP being tiebreaker)

CONSOLATION ROUND

1st - $4,000
2nd - $3,000
3rd - $2,000
4th-5th - $500 each

If my calculations are correct that would be a total of $585,000 in payouts, so the NFFC would make almost $200,000 (before expenses of course), and everyone is "happier"!

Of course this is just all my opinion, but I don't think you have to raise the "grand prize", because $100,000 is plenty, and although the money is nice, the recognition of being "grand champion" would be just as good (for me anyhow).

This system would allow MORE teams to get SOMETHING out of a season which SHOULD make more teams play the entire year.

If you have more teams, I just feel that you need to offer MORE chances to win and the weekly prizes and added league prizes do just that.

In addition to this, keep the league and total points champ to get in the playoffs (would be 86 teams if you had 43 leagues) and also allow the next 14 best total points teams in for an even 100. This gives teams who have a great point total but are in a tough league and have had some "bad luck" a chance to get in the "Big show" (eh Vega$ Gamblers?)

[ December 01, 2004, 06:40 AM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

billywaz...

great job....

Billy Boy, just some clarifications....

1-I'm not the one bitchin' about the playoffs. Please reread the posts. Not once did I complain about it. And my opinion is only 2 teams should advance per league, I know that means I miss the playoffs.

2-Along with expanding the owner base, we should also be focusing on getting quality owners. Dead teams will affect leagues. (IE- make this an invitational event at some point). You give up, you are not allowed back in.

3-You realize the best teams in sports do not advance to the playoffs? That's part of the game. Why should it be different in fantasy sports which is supposed to somewhat reflect real sports.

4-I don't like the wild cards, but I could live with it (I don't like the wild card in real sports too, they were mainly added to increase TV revenue). It has to get done within the league first before you advance. And yes, I know that would mean I could possibly advance with a wild card in my current situation. So it shows I don't change my mind like most others do just to fit my situation. What I believe in means I do not go to the playoffs.

5- I think your payout% is a little too high. Though I like it, Greg needs to make money off of this or there will be no future events after a while. Greg does not make $200,000, there is a thing called expenses, look it up

6- I don't like the weekly payouts, but I do understand why that would be proposed. Unfortuntely, I don't think it would keep losers from giving up. Plus, there may be some sort of governing law that won't allow for weekly cash prizes.

7- I do like the current system of league payouts with the exception of 3rd place money, it should be based on record, not points. People are so hung up on "best" teams. The best team is the one that wins. Just like in the real world. Read my posts nad you will see that I have always been an advocate of that line of thought.

8- Like I mentioned before, I do not change my line of thought just to fit my situation. I have never had sour grapes though I do have a real peave against dead teams.

9- Most of my conversations on these boards are about the game itself, when people say the game is "broken" or "wrong" just to fit their own situation, I will call them out. Just because someone yells the loudest or talks the most does not make them right. Every point that I have discussed, there where multiple people who agreed with me and I am almost always in the majority.

10- Keep in mind that Greg has to appeal to the masses, otherwise he will not fill this event up. That is just common business practice. Keep it simple, small changes could occur, but it has to be gradual over time.

11- if you are going to single me out, please know what you are talking about. I really don't appreciate it.

[ December 01, 2004, 08:05 AM: Message edited by: Vega$ Gambler$ ]

no weekly cash prizes
can't go lower than $5,000 for league winner

there are other things as well...

Originally posted by Vega$ Gambler$:
Billy Boy, just some clarifications....

1-I'm not the one bitchin' about the playoffs. Please reread the posts. Not once did I complain about it. And my opinion is only 2 teams should advance per league, I know that means I miss the playoffs.

2-Along with expanding the owner base, we should also be focusing on getting quality owners. Dead teams will affect leagues. (IE- make this an invitational event at some point). You give up, you are not allowed back in.

3-You realize the best teams in sports do not advance to the playoffs? That's part of the game. Why should it be different in fantasy sports which is supposed to somewhat reflect real sports.

4-I don't like the wild cards, but I could live with it (I don't like the wild card in real sports too, they were mainly added to increase TV revenue). It has to get done within the league first before you advance. And yes, I know that would mean I could possibly advance with a wild card in my current situation. So it shows I don't change my mind like most others do just to fit my situation. What I believe in means I do not go to the playoffs.

5- I think your payout% is a little too high. Though I like it, Greg needs to make money off of this or there will be no future events after a while. Greg does not make $200,000, there is a thing called expenses, look it up

6- I don't like the weekly payouts, but I do understand why that would be proposed. Unfortuntely, I don't think it would keep losers from giving up. Plus, there may be some sort of governing law that won't allow for weekly cash prizes.

7- I do like the current system of league payouts with the exception of 3rd place money, it should be based on record, not points. People are so hung up on "best" teams. The best team is the one that wins. Just like in the real world. Read my posts nad you will see that I have always been an advocate of that line of thought.

8- Like I mentioned before, I do not change my line of thought just to fit my situation. I have never had sour grapes though I do have a real peave against dead teams.

9- Most of my conversations on these boards are about the game itself, when people say the game is "broken" or "wrong" just to fit their own situation, I will call them out. Just because someone yells the loudest or talks the most does not make them right. Every point that I have discussed, there where multiple people who agreed with me and I am almost always in the majority.

10- Keep in mind that Greg has to appeal to the masses, otherwise he will not fill this event up. That is just common business practice. Keep it simple, small changes could occur, but it has to be gradual over time.

11- if you are going to single me out, please know what you are talking about. I really don't appreciate it. I in NO WAY meant to single you out Vega$. I used you as an example, because you did have a post about "dead teams" (how it wasn't fair that someone wrapped up your league becasue they played a "dead" team), and (looking at your league) I PERSONALLY feel you are playoff worthy as my suggestion would allow a team like yourself this year to be rewarded in some way.

For the record, I did say $200,000 (less expenses of course) in my post.

Obviously someone has "pi$$ed in your Wheaties" this morning, as the minute you saw your name, your goal was to just rip everything I said.

However, it is a free country......

Hope your day gets better!

BWazz

Nice post. I like the idea of a highest weekly score prize. I'm not sure if you could cure the dead owner syndrome with it though. Teams that struggle to score 100 etc...

Vega$
I also like your thoughts on weeding out dead owners by making this an invitational. How can it be handled initialy while the event is growing to capacity?
One more question. Why are you ragging on BWazz? Do you 2 have some bad blood from previous posts?
My impression as I read his post was he was just using your team as an example.
By the way - BWazz did mention that the $200,000.00 was before expenses.

We could accomplish more if things weren't taken so personal. IMO

RC

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
no weekly cash prizes
can't go lower than $5,000 for league winner

there are other things as well... Not EVERY week Gekko. Just the top 5 Weekly scores FOR THE SEASON would get paid. For example, if 3 teams score 228, 220, and 213 in Week 13, and the previous high weekly score for the week was 210, then ALL three of these teams just moved into the top 3 spots. I really think this would keep people (no, it wouldn't stop everyone!) putting their BEST lineup on the field each week!

Who is to say Greg and Tom can't go lower on the league winner? If the idea was to award more money to total points, then common logic says you would reduce the best record winner (unless you were to cut out even MORE money from 3rd place!)

These are all just suggestions/opinions from me, and of course you are entitled to your own. Your post just sounded a little condescending, like "no, that can't happen"!

Gekko, unless I missed the memo where you are now an employee of Krause Publications and will be making the rules for the 2005 NFFC, I think my (and everyone else's) opinion is just as valuable as yours!

[ December 01, 2004, 08:35 AM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

1. Top League Prize is way too low.
2. Weekly prize is not an incentive for dead teams. Their team sucks anyway. Waste of money.
3. Too much money in the overalls.

Your post took a lot of work so I applaud it but I believe Greg has a good feel for what the membership wants next year.

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
Gekko, unless I missed the memo where you are now an employee of Krause Publications and will be making the rules for the 2005 NFFC, I think my (and everyone else's) opinion is just as valuable as yours! can't be an employee of KP and still play. sorry.

everyone has an opinion, that is correct. as far as value of the opinion, let each post stand on its own.

Originally posted by JerseyPaul:
1. Top League Prize is way too low.
2. Weekly prize is not an incentive for dead teams. Their team sucks anyway. Waste of money.
3. Too much money in the overalls.

Your post took a lot of work so I applaud it but I believe Greg has a good feel for what the membership wants next year. Actually not a lot of work JP, but I see your point on some of this. Although you feel the my siggested league prize is too low, it is STILL over 3x the investment + a chance for more.

Coming into this season, I felt the total points winner was VERY undervalued. For example,JFT in our league, has a great team who is every bit as good as mine (actually almost 40 points better). He however had some "bad luck" with the schedule (not his fault), and therefore I am making $3,500 more than him (before the playoffs of course)!

Add to it for all his research, turmoil each week on who to start, etc. he may only make $250 (again, if he does nothing in the playoffs)

I just feel the league winner could be dropped a little, and raise the "total points" winner a little (but not this year of course! )

By the way, how was the Draft Masters JP? Something you would do again, or was it not worth it?