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I personally enjoy the Faab process. It amounts to a mini weekly draft that adds to the fantasy football experience a lot. The blind bidding, the planning, the strategy, the analysis of players and their value in the future....

Isn't that what fantasy football is all about?

I am surprised by how some people see faab as a burden or inconvenience.

So, do people enjoy this process or no and why? I am curious.

I enjoy it as long as I limit the amount of leagues I join using FAAB, or it becomes work. If a hobby feels like work, it loses some of the fun. So as long as I know my limitations, I enjoy FAAB periods to shuffle my bench around. However, I feel its a total crapshoot and I don't know how anyone can say they KNEW Victor Cruz was going to be the pickup of the year, or if Torrey Smith was who he thought he was(except for Frank Mammola)...I picked up guys like S.Hill,Nate Washington, Armstrong, and a bunch of other guys this season and not a single one panned out consistantly. I don't know if I lost my mojo or if its just a total crap-shoot, but it does feel like a huge ball of luck sometimes when a team stumbles into Miles Austin and wins his league because of a FA pickup that went crazy.

Diesel

Hope you are doing well. I think every aspect of fantasy football can have that "were you lucky or were you good" debate...

I think this comes back down to the difference between those who play fantasy football for the passion and competitive fun of it ... and those who play it as a job. When someone has 20 teams I have to imagine that it is hard to "root" for anything specific on a Sunday afternoon because among those 20 teams you would have just about everyone in the NFL. I have to believe that experience differs from those who get personally invested in every game, play and player because they are tracking their individual game.

I would think the NFFC would want to create league rules that provide the most fun for the most people. They would want rules that are as fair as possible. I think building this event on the backs of the people who play less then 5 leagues (and maybe only 1) to the point they have a high number of NFFC members is smarter than trying to build it on the backs of the small group who can afford a massive number of entries. For the record, I am not saying the NFFC is trying to build the event on the backs of the handful of people who can buy tons of teams, I am just making a broader point.

I was just curious to know if people 'enjoyed' the faab process. I personally do. I see almost no one even replied to the question so I guess it isn't that important...lol

Originally posted by renman:
Diesel


I would think the NFFC would want to create league rules that provide the most fun for the most people. They would want rules that are as fair as possible. I think building this event on the backs of the people who play less then 5 leagues (and maybe only 1) to the point they have a high number of NFFC members is smarter than trying to build it on the backs of the small group who can afford a massive number of entries. For the record, I am not saying the NFFC is trying to build the event on the backs of the handful of people who can buy tons of teams, I am just making a broader point.

Your obviously entitled to your opinion, but from a business standpoint the comment above is one of the more asinine comments I have heard in a while.

Really, your making a broader point? By putting a number on how or which way the NFFC should build their business? Better to do it with players that have five or less teams??? Where do you even get this number from? How does it even make sense?


Hypothetically let's say I sell coffee. Why would I care how many cups of coffee my customer buys during the week? The more the better in my eyes. I bank on repeat business and want that customer coming back every morning or even coming back 2-3 times a day. Using your thought process. I would rather have the customer that drinks less than 5 cups a week over the one that drinks more??? There are only so many coffee drinkers out there just like there are only so many FF players out there. Why would I limit myself on the number players to build my business? I'm not even saying one customer is more important than the other. Just asking why would you pigeon hole yourself ever in business, never mind in a terrible economy right now. Maybe I missed something or maybe I just got up on the wrong side of bed today, but I don't get it?

Oh BTW to answer your question........

I rather be a scout or coach for an NFL team rather than be the guy in charge to sign the players under the salary cap.

I enjoy the FAAB also. Especially in the HS leagues. There is a strategy involved that you don't get/need in the hometown leagues all the time.You have to be a week ahead of everyone else to avoid getting outbid before he is the pick up of the week. I only do 5 or less leagues. 2-3 in HS, and they get my WW attention first. Last year was a difficult year on the WW in HS fantasy. There was such a lack of difference makers available it was almost futile.
Anyway, I enjoy it but for the players with 10 or more managed teams, it kinda goes with the territory.

I will say this.....I have only had 1 high stakes team in each of the last 2 years (Chicago Auction on Fridays, I've had to work the weekend both years). I enjoy the FAAB process to some degree, but it also can feel like a job sometimes. Given the fact that I've only had 1 high stakes team (and only 2 other local leagues), I can't imagine the time and effort it takes to participate in FAAB for many leagues. I can only guess that I wouldn't find it that much fun. The most fun for me by far is always the prep work leading up to the auction/draft and then the actual event itself.

I'm sure this relates to the discussion on whether or not we should have multiple FAAB periods. If I had to throw my opinion in the mix (which admittedly should mean very little given my limited participation), I would definitely prefer just one FAAB period. With 2 little kids running around my house and 1 older kid involved in many sports, I just don't have the time to do any more than that. I certainly understand the counter point that only having one FAAB period increases the luck factor, but I like having more riding on the draft anyways. I feel that the draft/auction is more indicative of the skill of the fantasy player while dominating FAAB is sometimes a factor of just having more time to put into during the season (that is not to say that there are not many players very skillful at utilizing FAAB).

That's all I've got to add to the subject, just thought I would throw in my 2 cents. I can certainly see the other side of the coin on this one, primarily just my personal preferences stated above.

Originally posted by pmfarley21:
I will say this.....I have only had 1 high stakes team in each of the last 2 years (Chicago Auction on Fridays, I've had to work the weekend both years). I enjoy the FAAB process to some degree, but it also can feel like a job sometimes. Given the fact that I've only had 1 high stakes team (and only 2 other local leagues), I can't imagine the time and effort it takes to participate in FAAB for many leagues. I can only guess that I wouldn't find it that much fun. The most fun for me by far is always the prep work leading up to the auction/draft and then the actual event itself.

I'm sure this relates to the discussion on whether or not we should have multiple FAAB periods. If I had to throw my opinion in the mix (which admittedly should mean very little given my limited participation), I would definitely prefer just one FAAB period. With 2 little kids running around my house and 1 older kid involved in many sports, I just don't have the time to do any more than that. I certainly understand the counter point that only having one FAAB period increases the luck factor, but I like having more riding on the draft anyways. I feel that the draft/auction is more indicative of the skill of the fantasy player while dominating FAAB is sometimes a factor of just having more time to put into during the season (that is not to say that there are not many players very skillful at utilizing FAAB).

That's all I've got to add to the subject, just thought I would throw in my 2 cents. I can certainly see the other side of the coin on this one, primarily just my personal preferences stated above. Well said...and I agree.

Originally posted by The Franchise:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
Diesel


I would think the NFFC would want to create league rules that provide the most fun for the most people. They would want rules that are as fair as possible. I think building this event on the backs of the people who play less then 5 leagues (and maybe only 1) to the point they have a high number of NFFC members is smarter than trying to build it on the backs of the small group who can afford a massive number of entries. For the record, I am not saying the NFFC is trying to build the event on the backs of the handful of people who can buy tons of teams, I am just making a broader point.

Your obviously entitled to your opinion, but from a business standpoint the comment above is one of the more asinine comments I have heard in a while.

Really, your making a broader point? By putting a number on how or which way the NFFC should build their business? Better to do it with players that have five or less teams??? Where do you even get this number from? How does it even make sense?


Hypothetically let's say I sell coffee. Why would I care how many cups of coffee my customer buys during the week? The more the better in my eyes. I bank on repeat business and want that customer coming back every morning or even coming back 2-3 times a day. Using your thought process. I would rather have the customer that drinks less than 5 cups a week over the one that drinks more??? There are only so many coffee drinkers out there just like there are only so many FF players out there. Why would I limit myself on the number players to build my business? I'm not even saying one customer is more important than the other. Just asking why would you pigeon hole yourself ever in business, never mind in a terrible economy right now. Maybe I missed something or maybe I just got up on the wrong side of bed today, but I don't get it? [/QUOTE]Franchise,

Not entirely sure what is bothering you to the point you would call my opinion "asinine." It would be great if we were all allowed to have opinions here without being called names, but during my time on message boards I have seen otherwise.

I will stand by my opinion that the NFFC in the long run would be benefited more by building a fun, fulfilling, fair event on the backs of the passionate fantasy players who represent the masses (ie, those who play a few or even one fantasy league) as opposed to building it on the backs of the 10 people who can play 20+ leagues.

I don't think that viewpoint is asinine at all and we can agree to disagree.

I agree repeat business is important. I would rather have an event that fulfills and gets 200 guys who play 2 leagues (400 entries) to come back every year as repeat business than taylor my rules to appease 10 guys who each have 20 entries (200 total entries). That is all I am saying. I certainly never said or implied the guys who can put in many entries are not important.

I came from another competitive world (high stakes amateur bowling) that 15-20 years ago was incredibly similar to how high stakes fantasy football is today. The bowling events eventurally catered to the small handful of guys who would put in massive numbers of re-entries and they were not focused on nurturing future players to create the foundation of the events. The tournaments eventually died (for many reasons, not just this one).

I am also not saying it has to be one or the other. I am sure both types of players can be catered to and fulfilled. My primary question was if people ENJOYED THE WEEKLY FAAB PROCESS or not. Most people I know love it.. they look forward to it... it is what amounts to a mini auction/draft every week.

On other football message boards I have seen people "threaten" game organizers saying "I wont enter with as many teams if you have 2 faab periods (which seems to make sense from a game format standpoint with the Thursday games) because due to the large number of entries I can afford, faab becomes too much "work." I just find that to be a bit unreasonable to do to game organizers who have been put in a tough spot by the NFL scheduling.

My primary question is simply if people enjoy the faab process.

pmfarley,

You certainly make fair points. I am in the same boat. I have 2 little kids, a wife, responsibilities, a job and tons of things that I have to deal with that stand in the way of me focusing on fantasy football all week.

Having said that, if I am going to invest larges sums of money (for me) to play high stakes events I want the competition to be as fair as possible. I want to remove some of the luck and guesswork where we can. I personally think faab is directly connected to fantasy football skill. Scouting, projecting, predicting are all skills at the core of being a good fantasy football player and they are in play both during the draft and faab.

I cannot imagine having to make faab decisions on Wednesday for games that will be played 4 days later in a sport where so many things change week to week and there is so much uncertainty (with a players status) right up until kickoff.

I have not kept up on the voting regarding the options Greg and Tom outlined. I just didn't like seeing people threaten (even if mildly) the game organizers with less entries if they had to do faab twice because it was too much work even if having 2 faab's seems like the fairest, most logical thing to do from a game fairness and experience standpoint.