Extra roster spot for playoffs?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:48 am

Billy - My intent was not to insult, but to educate. Trust in Gekko. You know that.

The "problem" both you and Nag said is NOT a problem. I can bid on 10 quarterbacks under the CURRENT system. Maybe Nag realized the error in his ways and has decided not to try and defend a position without merit.

As for Greg changing the rules...if he can get everyone to change from 200K to 100K (like he did last year), this will be an easy change.

As for the value of this, it allows a little extra skill and strategy for EVERY team. This can only benefit the NFFC and its owners. I'd rather lose because I didn't pick up the right player with the extra roster spot, than to lose because I could only keep 2 QBs on my roster and they both got hurt for the season in Week 14.

[ April 20, 2005, 08:50 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Nag' · Post by **Nag'** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:15 am

This proposal calls for up to 14 players per league to be picked up in Week 13 in 25+ leagues. That's 14 ADDITIONAL players from the free agency pool. Only a handful of these players will be on playoff contending teams and only TWO of these players will eventually make it to the Playoffs. You can continue you stance on how this will be no different that the current system and how the extra 14 players will not change the way teams place their bids and how this won't potentially cause problems or create an unlevel playing field, Gekko, but that is simply ignoring the facts. I certainy don't need to convince YOU that you're wrong, just the people that make decisions. And honestly, I don't think they need convincing either. That's all I'll say on this issue for now.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:19 am

I'll consider this proposal because I agree that your 18-man roster is locked for the last three weeks of the season and injuries do occur. This rule would allow all teams to carry 19 players into the Championship Round and the Consolation Bowl. That being said, I'm not against teams in the playoffs having the same depth that they used during the regular season to win it all.

But allowing teams to keep one extra roster spot after their league's Week 13 FAAB period isn't an unreasonable request by GG or anyone else. I agree that teams could bid their remaining FAAB on any player at that time to "screw" a playoff team out of a key pickup, but hopefully they'd be doing it to help themselves in the Consolation Bowl, where they can start over and still win $2,500. Under our current rules, teams SHOULD bid all of their FAAB money in Week 13 on any top free agent as you can't go to bed with it and there's still money to be won.

It's not an unreasonable request, yet I understand the reasons against it. I'm leaning against adding this rule at this point and it's my fault for not remembering this discussion earlier. But it's still worth considering in my mind.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:46 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I agree that teams could bid their remaining FAAB on any player at that time to "screw" a playoff team out of a key pickup greg, i can screw over another owner whether there is an extra roster spot or not. if i wanted to i could bid on 10 QB's to screw over an owner that needs a QB. Do you agree?

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
It's not an unreasonable request, yet I understand the reasons against it. what are the reasons? what problem is CREATED (that is NOT currently present) with adding this roster spot. i hope to discuss this more with you and others on the MB. trust in gekko

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:51 am

Originally posted by Nag':
This proposal calls for up to 14 players per league to be picked up in Week 13 in 25+ leagues. That's 14 ADDITIONAL players from the free agency pool. Only a handful of these players will be on playoff contending teams and only TWO of these players will eventually make it to the Playoffs. EVERY team makes the playoffs. how could you forget?

Originally posted by Nag':
You can continue you stance on how this will be no different that the current system and how the extra 14 players will not change the way teams place their bids and how this won't potentially cause problems or create an unlevel playing field, Gekko, but that is simply ignoring the facts. I certainy don't need to convince YOU that you're wrong, just the people that make decisions. And honestly, I don't think they need convincing either. That's all I'll say on this issue for now. this is all coming from a guy who got burnt by some other owner last year, right? was it the QB spot? i may have you confused with someone else i guess.

nag - you're a lot wiser on the other message board.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:53 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I agree that teams could bid their remaining FAAB on any player at that time to "screw" a playoff team out of a key pickup greg, i can screw over another owner whether there is an extra roster spot or not. if i wanted to i could bid on 10 QB's to screw over an owner that needs a QB. Do you agree?

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
It's not an unreasonable request, yet I understand the reasons against it. what are the reasons? what problem is CREATED (that is NOT currently present) with adding this roster spot. i hope to discuss this more with you and others on the MB. trust in gekko [/QUOTE]Agreed. The Week 13 pickups don't worry me.

Reasons: 1) Confusion over the addition of one more player during Week 13 FAAB. 2) Not posting this as part of the rules we had online when taking early signups. 3) And I'm not convinced it's necessary, although I agree that injuries can deplete an 18-man roster where no pickups are allowed over the last three weeks. Bottom line is that all NFFC teams are in the same boat whether it's 18 man rosters for the playoffs or 19 man rosters.

Team Legacy · Post by **Team Legacy** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:49 pm

our local league of 10 years uses a free agent system in the playoffs in which the playoff teams get first dibs at free agents. they're moved to the top of the waiver wire.

then after their round is over, the non playoff teams get their chance.

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:02 am

Unless I'm missing something - the only difference in what's being suggested and what we currently have in place is this:

Currently - Week 13 Pick up 2 players, cut 2 players. Free agency is over.

Suggested - Week 13 Pick up 2 players, cut 1 player. Free agency is over.

Just an insurance policy - Right?

If no one can bid on players cut on week 13, then why not secure the rosters a bit.
Or you could just give us an extra round on draft day. that would be my preferance.

Unless you're going to look for demons behind every bush I see no negatives in an extra roster spot for the playoffs.

That's my humble opinion Greg.

RC

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:30 am

Originally posted by Route C:
Unless you're going to look for demons behind every bush I see no negatives in an extra roster spot for the playoffs.bravo jeff. no negatives, but it allows some flexibility for the playoff weeks where you could end up with 4+ players hurt.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:30 am

well said...

Currently - Week 13 Pick up 2 players, cut 2 players. Free agency is over.

Suggested - Week 13 Pick up 2 players, cut 1 player. Free agency is over.