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[Route Collectors]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Vega$ Gambler$:
The current system is pretty good and challenging, that is what you wanted from this contest. Good job. What gets lost with some people (Vegas, etc...) is that I believe this is true. I'm introducing ideas that could make this contest go from "pretty good" (Vegas's words) to the next step up. [/QUOTE]GG - you know I've agreed with you on this subject from day 1. Maybe it's best to leave it alone until the end of the season. At least then you can produce a complete yearly data sheet, which will undoubtedly prove this point once and for all. I'm just glad some of the MB naysayers weren't on staff for the creation of this event. It wouldn't have gotten past the board room.
The difference between innovators and critics is innovators can make something from their lump of clay. THESE MB critics: well, I think the scene in Happy Gilmore where Sandler doesn't know how to putt and is kneeling on the green shouting "stupid ball, why don't you just go to your home" - comes to mind.

[richieprimo]

Allow the option of a single RB lineup and you'll put a stop to all of this noise. Owners will be able to draft the best available players (in their opinion) throughout the draft. They will not be forced to pick mediocre RB's over good WR's in the early rounds. This option will NOT provide an advantage for "bad" drafters, as the better prepared owners will pick the better players. When you make comparisons to the NFL, take a look at how many teams go with 4 WR sets in the course of the games. It's similar to when baseball added the wild-card teams to the mix. It gave other teams a chance to stay in the race longer, which led to better competition in the long run. The NFL strives for parity and so should the NFFC. I had the 9th pick and screwed up by taking Rudi Johnson in Round 2, because I knew that I wouldn't be able to draft a viable RB coming back in Round 3. Just my opinion, but something to consider in a 14 team league.

[JerseyPaul]

Primo..exactly right.

Late pickers must choose between the best value on the board and a mediocre RB since there will be no RBs left on their 3rd pick. Then those really smart early pickers can show how smart they are "you took Rudi? I knew he was a bum" or "you took a WR? that was dumb, you don't have a RB"

[dgamblnman]

Primo, are you suggesting that Rudi was a bad pick in the second round? Everyone had him ranked pretty high if I remember correctly. He was going to have a breakout season and he was even drafted in the first round is osme draft. Some would have said you got a steal. Highsight is 20/20, but at the time, he was a good pick there.

[TradeStar28]

Until people realize that you actually CAN take any one you want at any particular draft spot, this will be a moot arguement.

Who the heck says Rudi Johnson is a 2nd round pick? The hundreds of websites out there? The 20 mags that Greg sent to us? When people form their own decisions and analysis within fantasy football, that is when everyone will have what they deem as a fair draft.

Shoulda taken tiki barber there obviously!

And the 1st rounders shoulda gobbled up Culpepper below the 8th overall pick.

I could write 100 more what if picks here....

but everyone seems love to follow them internet cheat sheets and mock drafts

[JerseyPaul]

Hey Liquid, looks like you were following some internet cheat sheet otherwise:

Why take Mcallister (11.6 ppg) when you could have had Shaun Alexander 21 ppg)?

Why take Chad Johnson (14.7 ppg) when you could have had Javon Walker (20.5 ppg)

Why take Hines Ward when you could have had Tiki Barber?

I'm really going to enjoy watching you fall out of the championship competition.

Funny thing is, you can't even root against me next week when I have my big guns on a bye. You need me to beat Pocket Aces for you. And if I beat them and you don't run the table, it just might be my team on top at the end. I'm really liking the bad odds you have to make the finals.

[ November 04, 2004, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: JerseyPaul ]

[BillyWaz]

Originally posted by Liquid Empire:
Until people realize that you actually CAN take any one you want at any particular draft spot, this will be a moot arguement.

Who the heck says Rudi Johnson is a 2nd round pick? The hundreds of websites out there? The 20 mags that Greg sent to us? When people form their own decisions and analysis within fantasy football, that is when everyone will have what they deem as a fair draft.

Shoulda taken tiki barber there obviously!

And the 1st rounders shoulda gobbled up Culpepper below the 8th overall pick.

I could write 100 more what if picks here....

but everyone seems love to follow them internet cheat sheets and mock drafts I agree 100% with you guys! I posted a thread to all the "whiners" who had a late pick before the draft. If we DON'T follow the "cheat sheets", and follow our "gut", it could have paid off big time!

For example in NY 6, I was going to take RB Brian Westbrook & Chris Brown with my first two picks (I picked 14th). I didn't figure that Domanick Davis & Daunte Culpepper would go before me, and when Fred Taylor slipped, I nabbed him. Unfortunately, being at the end, it is difficult to take a guy who you know you could probably get 10 picks later (C.Brown) over a Fred Taylor.

I took a gamble on Koren Robinson because I thought he would be great, and it didn't pan out. At the time many other WR's were available, but were all a matter of "opinion". Many experts" such as FFChamps had Santana Moss at #6 WR, and T.J Duckett at #13 RB (I have lost MUCH respect for their projections), so why should we be following these guys? There was NO WAY I was taking Santana Moss, but in hindsight, I should have taken Andre Johnson.

We all "hit and miss", but at least we should be taking our OWN shots, and I am guilty as anyone!

[ November 04, 2004, 05:04 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

[BillyWaz]

Originally posted by JerseyPaul:
Hey Liquid, looks like you were following some internet cheat sheet otherwise:

Why take Mcallister (11.6 ppg) when you could have had Shaun Alexander 21 ppg)?

Why take Chad Johnson (14.7 ppg) when you could have had Javon Walker (20.5 ppg)

Why take Hines Ward when you could have had Tiki Barber?

I'm really going to enjoy watching you fall out of the championship competition.

Funny thing is, you can't even root against me next week when I have my big guns on a bye. You need me to beat Pocket Aces for you. And if I beat them and you don't run the table, it just might be my team on top at the end. I'm really liking the bad odds you have to make the finals. Since when did JP become such a *****? Did I miss something? I've respected JP's opinion and insight on many topics, but you are just don right belligerent with this post.

JP, in all honesty, I think you have the roughest schedule the rest of the way. You get me, Hammers, and JFT in 3 consecutive weeks (all teams who have scored more than you). ANYTHING can happen, and I wouldn't look past Skunky Nuggets this week, although you certainly get a break as they are without Vick & Walker. Tomlinson is due for a BIG game and New Orleans defense is awful.

MANY teams so far have lost games they should have won and vice-versa, so there isn't any "GIMEE'S" in this league!

By the way, what "big guns" are you referring to that you will be without when you face me? You will have your top 3 picks, a QB (Green) who is every bit as good as Plummer, and your TE (Witten). I won't have Gates and most likely my 2nd round pick (Westbrook), and possibly Koren Robinson & Roy Williams. You lose Droughns, and that is it!

[richieprimo]

Originally posted by Liquid Empire:
Until people realize that you actually CAN take any one you want at any particular draft spot, this will be a moot arguement.

Who the heck says Rudi Johnson is a 2nd round pick? The hundreds of websites out there? The 20 mags that Greg sent to us? When people form their own decisions and analysis within fantasy football, that is when everyone will have what they deem as a fair draft.

Shoulda taken tiki barber there obviously!

And the 1st rounders shoulda gobbled up Culpepper below the 8th overall pick.

I could write 100 more what if picks here....

but everyone seems love to follow them internet cheat sheets and mock drafts I know all about the "what ifs" of fantasy ball. I'm merely using Rudi Johnson as an example to get my point across. Of course hindsight is 20/20 and we can point out countless examples of coulda, shoulda crap, and I DID like RJ where I got him at the time. I don't use cheat sheets and/or mock drafts to form my opinion on player value. I'm merely stating that the mandate to start 2 RB's each week in a 14 team league tends to skew the value of many players on draft day. There are a dozen players that I would have chosen before Johnson had I known that I wouldn't have to start a likely single-digit scoring back every week. That's all I'm trying to point out. Curtis Martins are few and far between, and those that drafted him got lucky as hell. As I said...in a 14 team league, having the option to start one RB would provide more balance in the league, while allowing owners to draft the best possible players regardless of position. That's how they do it in the NFL.

[JerseyPaul]

Billy,

You may have noticed that Liquid rubs me the wrong way. The observation about our week 10 matchup was to show him that HE has a problem, whichever of us wins that game.

Both my starting RBs have a bye that week...Droughns and Wheatley. I'll be starting 2 guys averaging 5 ppg. But if I get by week 10 only a game down, I'll still be in it. My average ppg will be much higher the last 3 weeks as I'll have 2 starting RBs.

[ November 04, 2004, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: JerseyPaul ]