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Probably makes sense to address a couple of situations that happened last year, to see what the NFFC's ruling would be, BEFORE such an event occurs.

Situation #1:
Brad Johnson throws a pick to Indianapolis safety Mike Doss. Doss fumbles the ball and K.McCardell picks it up and scampers for a TD. Who gets the 6 points?

You answered your own stupid question.
"K.McCardell picks it up and scampers for a TD".

Originally posted by Walla Walla:
You answered your own stupid question.
"K.McCardell picks it up and scampers for a TD". Next time you post, you may want to have something intelligent or witty to say. Most of your posts sound like a little kid is writing them. No BS!

Better yet how is #149 out of 195 treating you in the NFBC?

Funny how the little Gekko kid hides behind a door and yells nasty things to the other kids. When confronted he just runs away whining "well don't read my posts".

Originally posted by JerseyPaul:
Funny how the little Gekko kid hides behind a door and yells nasty things to the other kids. 1st pt - I'm not hiding, and I'm not yelling nasty things. Walla Walla said my question was "stupid". He voiced his opinion, so I voiced mine. I posted a question in the "Ask The NFFC A Question" forum, not the ask Walla Walla forum. To clarify, Walla Walla's posts (in my opinion) sound like they come from a little kid, perhaps even an immature teenager. That's my opinion from reading his posts. Feel free to agree or disagree.

2nd pt - Walla Walla is #149 out of 195 in the NFBC. That is a FACT. Maybe he's proud of it, maybe not. A spin on what Col. Jessep said, "Can't you handle the truth?"

Originally posted by JerseyPaul:
When confronted he just runs away whining "well don't read my posts". I'm not running anywhere. There is no prereq that says I need to disclose my team to any other owner.

If someone doesn't think my posts are of value, don't read them. I really can't be any clearer on this point. Seems simple. Let me know if you need further clarification.

Gordon, under NFFC rules that touchdown and six points would be awarded to McCardell since he is a member of the Buccaneers' offense, not their defense. Another question that may arise is with fumble recoveries in the end zone. In those situations, the touchdown/six points would be awarded to the player who recovered the fumble (this happened with Randy McMichael in a game last season).

Hope this answers your question.

We have tried to cover every possible scenario in our scoring rules, but Gordon brings up a good point that these seemingly obvious scoring situations need to be clarified BEFORE they happen. Walla Walla may not know that this exact situation occurred in the WCOFF last year and under their scoring format in 2003 the points didn't go to McCardell they went to the Tampa Bay defense/special teams. They had to award the points that way because of the way their rules were written and that was the right call. But it caused a lot of confusion and some problems at the time it happened.

We have tried to clarify this in our rules and as Tom states we've also covered the fumble recovery for a touchdown scoring situation. Again, in the WCOFF last year McMichael did not get credited for that score. In fact, nobody did, which doesn't make sense. If they score in the NFL then someone needs to earn the points in the NFFC.

I'm sure we haven't covered every imaginable scenario, so I welcome the questions here. Believe me, it makes my job easier once the season starts.

Now boys act nice from here on out or I'm sending you all to the timeout room. And it's the room without the NFL Sunday Ticket or ESPN!!!

McCardell's touchdown not only exposed a minor loophole, but that single TD affected Head to Head games' results. The NFL stated that there can only be an established change of hands from the Offense to Defense(Or Defense to Offense) ONCE.
So under NFL rules, once M. Doss picked the pass off, he became an OFFENSIVE player. Which to me, sounds ridiculous, but this made McCardell a DEFENSIVE player at the same time. With this being said, Doss' fumble which ended in McCardell's TD was then awarded to the Defense instead of the Wideout.

That's how the NFL/ commissioner.com ruled it.

Situation #2:
Under the DEFENSE/SPECIAL TEAMS section of the rules it says:
All special teams and defensive points are awarded to the team responsible, not the individual player.

One question: If the Ravens line-up to kick a field goal, and M.Stover fakes it and runs it in for a 10 yard TD, how are pts awarded? 7pts for the Ravens D? OR 6pts for the Ravens D and 1 pt for Stover? OR only 6pts for the Ravens D?

Originally posted by Diesel:
McCardell's touchdown not only exposed a minor loophole, but that single TD affected Head to Head games' results. The NFL stated that there can only be an established change of hands from the Offense to Defense(Or Defense to Offense) ONCE.
So under NFL rules, once M. Doss picked the pass off, he became an OFFENSIVE player. Which to me, sounds ridiculous, but this made McCardell a DEFENSIVE player at the same time. With this being said, Doss' fumble which ended in McCardell's TD was then awarded to the Defense instead of the Wideout.

That's how the NFL/ commissioner.com ruled it. Yup, I remember that quite well. And while that's how the NFL rules it, personally I think that's incredibly silly since McCardell is clearly not a defensive player and Doss was not an offensive player. Thus we have made our rules to state that in such an event the touchdown points would not be awarded to the Bucs' defense, but rather to the offensive player in question -- McCardell.

It may conflict with the NFL's official rule, but that's how we're going to rule it and since it's being stated in advance hopefully that will prevent any controversy should such a play happen again. Of course, the best-case scenario is nothing like that ever happens again.