Draft position
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:59 am
Sorry, if this is being redundant, but when do we find out which position (1-14)we'll be drafting? I need to know NOW!!! 
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Draft position
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:18 am
Unfortunately we can't help you now. We'll announce the draft positions for each league on Monday Aug. 29. You'll have to be a little more patient.
Draft position
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:08 pm
My two cents: please find a way next year to determine slot positions earlier, at least for those who buy in the event early. I don't start to strategize until I know my draft position. Giving us folks less than a week to strategize for a league that is as important as the NFFC is a no-no. -z-
Draft position
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:10 pm
Originally posted by Z-Men:
My two cents: please find a way next year to determine slot positions earlier, at least for those who buy in the event early. I don't start to strategize until I know my draft position. Giving us folks less than a week to strategize for a league that is as important as the NFFC is a no-no. -z- Far be it from me to question a top 3 overall finisher in consecutive years, but it seems to me your brilliance doesn't need the extra time and that, in fact, you'd take another advantage over the unfortunates you draft against
Robert, what draft positions did you get the past 2 years in WCOFF that lead to your top 3 finishes?
I'm only jealous I haven't gotten a book out yet... I'm sure you're a hardcore gamer and worthy of the respect
I would like to know my position earlier as well, but I'm sure the issue is that if 2/3 of the leagues are drawn that someone could load the last few leagues with friends and potentially collude. Waiting to the end eliminates that 'hey, we could get 6 of the last 28 teams strategy...'
Dyv
My two cents: please find a way next year to determine slot positions earlier, at least for those who buy in the event early. I don't start to strategize until I know my draft position. Giving us folks less than a week to strategize for a league that is as important as the NFFC is a no-no. -z- Far be it from me to question a top 3 overall finisher in consecutive years, but it seems to me your brilliance doesn't need the extra time and that, in fact, you'd take another advantage over the unfortunates you draft against
Robert, what draft positions did you get the past 2 years in WCOFF that lead to your top 3 finishes?
I'm only jealous I haven't gotten a book out yet... I'm sure you're a hardcore gamer and worthy of the respect
I would like to know my position earlier as well, but I'm sure the issue is that if 2/3 of the leagues are drawn that someone could load the last few leagues with friends and potentially collude. Waiting to the end eliminates that 'hey, we could get 6 of the last 28 teams strategy...'
Dyv
Draft position
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:45 pm
Originally posted by Z-Men:
My two cents: please find a way next year to determine slot positions earlier, at least for those who buy in the event early. I don't start to strategize until I know my draft position. Giving us folks less than a week to strategize for a league that is as important as the NFFC is a no-no. -z- We can't pick the spots until all entries are in. You MUST understand that. Leagues are drawn in each city after all entries are officially in. I wish we were full now, but I think all of us can still strategize for our given draft spot with the timeframe we have in place. Doing it the other way would be a definite no-no with stakes this high.
My two cents: please find a way next year to determine slot positions earlier, at least for those who buy in the event early. I don't start to strategize until I know my draft position. Giving us folks less than a week to strategize for a league that is as important as the NFFC is a no-no. -z- We can't pick the spots until all entries are in. You MUST understand that. Leagues are drawn in each city after all entries are officially in. I wish we were full now, but I think all of us can still strategize for our given draft spot with the timeframe we have in place. Doing it the other way would be a definite no-no with stakes this high.
Draft position
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:46 am
Originally posted by Dyv:
Far be it from me to question a top 3 overall finisher in consecutive years, but it seems to me your brilliance doesn't need the extra time and that, in fact, you'd take another advantage over the unfortunates you draft against ; Dyv Hey man, I'm no Gekko.
To answer some of your other stuff: I was in the 5th and 7th slots the two years I finished top three. -z-
Far be it from me to question a top 3 overall finisher in consecutive years, but it seems to me your brilliance doesn't need the extra time and that, in fact, you'd take another advantage over the unfortunates you draft against ; Dyv Hey man, I'm no Gekko.
To answer some of your other stuff: I was in the 5th and 7th slots the two years I finished top three. -z-
Draft position
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:57 am
Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
We can't pick the spots until all entries are in. You MUST understand that. Leagues are drawn in each city after all entries are officially in. I wish we were full now, but I think all of us can still strategize for our given draft spot with the timeframe we have in place. Doing it the other way would be a definite no-no with stakes this high. Greg, I'm with you. I understand you wouldn't want to draw slots NOW because then that would make it easy for the next league to fillup for people to join together for potential collussion. Here's a recommendation for next year that I think NFFC would benefit from as well as participants:
Draw slots after every 42 teams pay into the main event, same location. This does two things:
1) It encourages people to join and pay into the main event earlier to get their draft slot earlier. (good for NFFC)
2) It gives diehards and early birds more time to analyze draft strategy.
3) It prevents collusion since you do not know who will be in your league.
Something to ponder. -z-
We can't pick the spots until all entries are in. You MUST understand that. Leagues are drawn in each city after all entries are officially in. I wish we were full now, but I think all of us can still strategize for our given draft spot with the timeframe we have in place. Doing it the other way would be a definite no-no with stakes this high. Greg, I'm with you. I understand you wouldn't want to draw slots NOW because then that would make it easy for the next league to fillup for people to join together for potential collussion. Here's a recommendation for next year that I think NFFC would benefit from as well as participants:
Draw slots after every 42 teams pay into the main event, same location. This does two things:
1) It encourages people to join and pay into the main event earlier to get their draft slot earlier. (good for NFFC)
2) It gives diehards and early birds more time to analyze draft strategy.
3) It prevents collusion since you do not know who will be in your league.
Something to ponder. -z-
Draft position
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:27 am
Geezzzzzzzzzzz,
I plan most of my drafts all the way through pick 16/18. The time consuming aspect is creating the spread sheet with projections, ADP, and JPVBD.
Once draft position is known, it only takes a couple of hours to plan the draft.
In leagues where draft trading is allowed, it's possible to take greater advantage of value opportunities by trading up or trading down. This, of course, takes a lot of time. But in a no trade league, "a few days" is ("a few days" -1) too much time.
I plan most of my drafts all the way through pick 16/18. The time consuming aspect is creating the spread sheet with projections, ADP, and JPVBD.
Once draft position is known, it only takes a couple of hours to plan the draft.
In leagues where draft trading is allowed, it's possible to take greater advantage of value opportunities by trading up or trading down. This, of course, takes a lot of time. But in a no trade league, "a few days" is ("a few days" -1) too much time.
Draft position
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:31 am
Originally posted by Z-Men:
Draw slots after every 42 teams pay into the main event, same location. This does two things:i don't believe this will ever happen.
rob, the more you post, the more i think you're behind the curve instead of in front of it
Draw slots after every 42 teams pay into the main event, same location. This does two things:i don't believe this will ever happen.
rob, the more you post, the more i think you're behind the curve instead of in front of it
Draft position
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:58 am
Originally posted by Z-Men:
Draw slots after every 42 teams pay into the main event, same location. This does two things:
1) It encourages people to join and pay into the main event earlier to get their draft slot earlier. (good for NFFC)
2) It gives diehards and early birds more time to analyze draft strategy.
3) It prevents collusion since you do not know who will be in your league.
Interesting thoughts Z. At first glance I don't see logistical barriers here, although there certainly may be some. The immediate problem I do see, is that the diehards you speak of will generally NOT want to be placed in leagues with other diehards, at least not in these highstakes contests, as I am sure you will agree that it's commonly believed that mainstream owners usually start thinking about joining leagues in August. So in actuality, your suggestion will be counterproductive since it would actually cause many people to wait LONGER to join instead of sooner.
I think the only way draft slots can be released early is if the organizers place teams in random leagues as they signup but do not release the league numbers. This would require much more work on their part but I believe it can be done fairly and randomly. We'll see if it ever materializes. Until then, I guess the only thing that will help get the slots out sooner is selling out the event earlier.
Draw slots after every 42 teams pay into the main event, same location. This does two things:
1) It encourages people to join and pay into the main event earlier to get their draft slot earlier. (good for NFFC)
2) It gives diehards and early birds more time to analyze draft strategy.
3) It prevents collusion since you do not know who will be in your league.
Interesting thoughts Z. At first glance I don't see logistical barriers here, although there certainly may be some. The immediate problem I do see, is that the diehards you speak of will generally NOT want to be placed in leagues with other diehards, at least not in these highstakes contests, as I am sure you will agree that it's commonly believed that mainstream owners usually start thinking about joining leagues in August. So in actuality, your suggestion will be counterproductive since it would actually cause many people to wait LONGER to join instead of sooner.
I think the only way draft slots can be released early is if the organizers place teams in random leagues as they signup but do not release the league numbers. This would require much more work on their part but I believe it can be done fairly and randomly. We'll see if it ever materializes. Until then, I guess the only thing that will help get the slots out sooner is selling out the event earlier.