Survey Says: Use 2 Full FAABs During NFFC Season

alanr824 · Post by **alanr824** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:22 am

Originally posted by Money:
quote:Originally posted by Al R G:
As Greg said, there is no way we are going to make everyone happy. We need to make a decision and stick with it, then, if there are issues, we change it for 2013. The consensus is Wed/Fri with the primary FAAB on Wednesday. Lets go with that. I do not agree on having different FAAB structures with the two different contests. For those of us that have teams in both contests, that would be brutal. It needs to be consistant throughout. There is a consensus by a small few. Thousands play these games and free speech on these boards is a right. I understand you have an opinion that differs. This needs to be thought out a bit more carefully. I know of a number of players that will shift where they spend their dollars. This would be no differant than adapting to playing in a 12 or 14 team format. The best players adapt and adapt very well. [/QUOTE]Yup, and unfortunately, as I said, not everyone is going to be happy with the outcome. There are players on both sides of this, so the threat of losing people is a possibility either way, but a decision has to be made. Everyone was given the opportunity to vote. The winning vote had double of any of the other votes. I believe thats the best you can do with 6 choices. If they decide to break it down to 2 choices or 3 choices, and the vote is by 10%, what then? Re-vote because the difference is not enough? It is not going to be a perfect situation. The NFL has thrown a wrench into the FAAB process. As you said, adapt. Having a different FAAB structure for each format is just not a good idea, IMO.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:09 pm

Originally posted by Money:
Greg,

You have two natioanl contests. Why not have one with 2 FAAB periods and the other with just one. You will get a true read on what your customers think and I doubt it will impact either game. Just an idea.

Also, I don't believe your results are as conclusive as these folks here believe. No, our rules will be consistent for all of our formats going forward. The FAAB that we choose -- thanks to the input of our customers and the thoughts we had before those results -- have pointed us in one direction for all of our games. We will announce everything next week, including rules changes that we've already suggested. PPR for Running Backs will also be consistent for all of our games going forward.

We love the 14-team and 12-team formats, but going forward it makes sense to make the rules, FAAB, even the playoff formats more consistent.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:15 pm

Tom and I have just returned after spending part of this week in Chicago for meetings with management, IT, marketing and other areas of STATS. We were wrapping up everything for our upcoming NFBC live drafts and online drafts, but we were able to finalize all of our plans for the upcoming 2012 NFFC season. I feel VERY good about our plans going forward. We have everything agreed to and next week we will begin to announce some of those rules changes, contest prices, payouts, guaranteed grand prizes, event schedules and more. We don't have finalized hotel deals yet, but I feel good enough to announce the cities and events soon.

We also will start taking vocal signups soon, getting folks to commit to any event we've announced. We don't need a deposit or payment for any of these contests just yet, just a verbal commitment. We'll post all of the signups on the message boards and keep updating those through Draft Day. I KNOW you're going to like our guarantees and our contests for 2012.

Give us a few more days. 2012 NFFC starts soon, even before we leave for our live NFBC drafts. Thanks for your patience everyone.

Money · Post by **Money** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:13 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by Money:
Greg,

You have two natioanl contests. Why not have one with 2 FAAB periods and the other with just one. You will get a true read on what your customers think and I doubt it will impact either game. Just an idea.

Also, I don't believe your results are as conclusive as these folks here believe. No, our rules will be consistent for all of our formats going forward. The FAAB that we choose -- thanks to the input of our customers and the thoughts we had before those results -- have pointed us in one direction for all of our games. We will announce everything next week, including rules changes that we've already suggested. PPR for Running Backs will also be consistent for all of our games going forward.

We love the 14-team and 12-team formats, but going forward it makes sense to make the rules, FAAB, even the playoff formats more consistent.

Thanks for the suggestion. [/QUOTE]It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which way the NFFC is going.. The 2 FAAB periods is great for the top players but in my opinion not for the masses. Good luck, I hope it works out for all.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:20 am

Joe, I'd hope that anyone who enters this contest believes they are a top player and can win. If not, why enter? And honestly, I'm not sure what a "top player" is. We've had a new champion every single year of our contest, in fact, ALL OF OUR CONTESTS. There isn't a single NFFC contest that has had a repeat winner. Even getting back-to-back league titles is tough.

The FAAB deadline we choose or any other contest chooses is being predicated by the weekly Thursday Night Game. As the survey pointed out, there is no clear perfect choice. All of them have warts and all of them have reasons to like them. But having the ability to bid on every player every week seems to make the most sense. If that's what folks want, then Wednesday FAAB has to come into play in some way, which is earlier than owners are used to.

So now it's time for us to come up with a decision that involves the Wednesday FAAB deadline. And I think the survey helped us come to that conclusion. I hope it works for all, too.

Money · Post by **Money** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:33 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Joe, I'd hope that anyone who enters this contest believes they are a top player and can win. If not, why enter? And honestly, I'm not sure what a "top player" is. We've had a new champion every single year of our contest, in fact, ALL OF OUR CONTESTS. There isn't a single NFFC contest that has had a repeat winner. Even getting back-to-back league titles is tough.

The FAAB deadline we choose or any other contest chooses is being predicated by the weekly Thursday Night Game. As the survey pointed out, there is no clear perfect choice. All of them have warts and all of them have reasons to like them. But having the ability to bid on every player every week seems to make the most sense. If that's what folks want, then Wednesday FAAB has to come into play in some way, which is earlier than owners are used to.

So now it's time for us to come up with a decision that involves the Wednesday FAAB deadline. And I think the survey helped us come to that conclusion. I hope it works for all, too. Upon further review, top player was a poor choice of words. What I was trying to get across was the players that can put in the maximum amount of time, will have an upper hand. In baseball I'll have 4 FAAB teams, 3 of which I'll actively manage. For me this is about the max. Each player is different and some can handle the process with many many more teams that I.

To be good in these games the FAAB process is very important. The amount of time that one can dedicate to that process is paramount to success. I speak only for myself, but the addition of a second FAAB period will limit the number of leagues that I believe I can be effectively manage this process in. I will gravitate toward the non FAAB formats or other contests which are less labor intensive.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:52 am

Originally posted by Money:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Joe, I'd hope that anyone who enters this contest believes they are a top player and can win. If not, why enter? And honestly, I'm not sure what a "top player" is. We've had a new champion every single year of our contest, in fact, ALL OF OUR CONTESTS. There isn't a single NFFC contest that has had a repeat winner. Even getting back-to-back league titles is tough.

The FAAB deadline we choose or any other contest chooses is being predicated by the weekly Thursday Night Game. As the survey pointed out, there is no clear perfect choice. All of them have warts and all of them have reasons to like them. But having the ability to bid on every player every week seems to make the most sense. If that's what folks want, then Wednesday FAAB has to come into play in some way, which is earlier than owners are used to.

So now it's time for us to come up with a decision that involves the Wednesday FAAB deadline. And I think the survey helped us come to that conclusion. I hope it works for all, too. Upon further review, top player was a poor choice of words. What I was trying to get across was the players that can put in the maximum amount of time, will have an upper hand. In baseball I'll have 4 FAAB teams, 3 of which I'll actively manage. For me this is about the max. Each player is different and some can handle the process with many many more teams that I.

To be good in these games the FAAB process is very important. The amount of time that one can dedicate to that process is paramount to success. I speak only for myself, but the addition of a second FAAB period will limit the number of leagues that I believe I can be effectively manage this process in. I will gravitate toward the non FAAB formats or other contests which are less labor intensive. [/QUOTE]I still say that those who believe the Friday or 2nd FAAB period will be obtrusive on their time isn't seeing things as they truly are. I speak from WCOFF experience that the 2nd FAAB period will take minutes if that of your time each week.

Now those who were concerned about the Wednesday FAAB creating a reduced time frame for which to review FAAB for each team each week due to the decreased gap between the end of the previous week's games and the FAAB deadline have a valid argument. However, I believe opening up FAAB earlier as all the high stakes contests said was possible will alleviate some of that concern.

To be honest, I look forward to the Wednesday FAAB. I typically know who I want once the games end Sunday. I just go back and forth the entire week checking updates, etc. and tweaking bids 'til the deadline doesn't allow me to anymore. Having that deadline earlier in the week will force me to end that process earlier in the week. I believe this will open up more time for other interests.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:15 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:
I believe this will open up more time for other interests. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR-Eozbz ... re=related

Money · Post by **Money** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:29 am

ahhh. Mr. X man, you are one of those folks that I was referring to. You have the ability to manage multiple teams through this process and have a great deal of (documented) success. I on the other hand cannot. My favorite part of the FAAB process is the closing bell when it's shut down. I can finally turn my mind off of that weeks choices. I spend the entire week talking myself into and out of higher and lower bids. While the Friday FAAB period will be less labor intensive I'll walk around paranoid I've missed something.

If I thought I could manage twelve teams I would, but I guess I know my IQ limitations. Your points are very valid and with merit. They simply don't apply to me as I'm cut from different cloth.

I look forward to seeing you in Vegas. And KOQ I didn't think you guys could see much grass during the course of the football season, isn't it covered in snow?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:13 am

I hear ya Joe, but I agree with Glenn on this matter. The biggest obstacle to the proposed Wednesday-Friday FAAB is that the first full FAAB is now two days earlier than it was before, even before the team's last full practices. To manage too many teams, I believe will be tougher with this new setup because you have to do it IMMEDIATELY that week. You don't have 5 days to go through all of your leagues' free agent listings, you basically have 2-3 days now.

The second set of FAAB is for a position you didn't get, maybe a kicker or defense that you still need for a buck. I don't see Friday FAAB being a big deal or needed time. But like you said, for someone who is obsessive about these things maybe that's the burden of this setup. But honestly, I think it's the earlier first full FAAB that is the dilemma, not the addition of the second one. Heck, for years people have been asking for a second Saturday FAAB and we didn't do it. Now that the safety net is offered it's being considered a negative. Interesting.