Originally posted by Coltsfan:
If the number that they owe is anywhere near $2,000,000 (which wouldn't surprise me.) then they have known for at least a year or two that WCOFF was probably not going to make it. They have been keeping this company going off of players rolling winnings forward and therefore not having to pay out all of their winnings.
What I would like to know is how did the affect what they were paying themselves to run the contest? If they slashed their salaries then it was bad business. If they were drawing out nice salaries for themselves during this then it was fraud. Maybe not fraud in the legal sense but it would be fraud in my eyes. Either way, they had to know this was a very real possibility long before it happened.
Wayne Even though Dustin dodged his interview and made excuses as to where the money was at, it still looked like he managed to build himself a nice big new house!
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Thoughts On ESPN's Outside The Lines Show On WCOFF
Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
However, Quinn seemed unprepared for the live questions from Bob Ley at the end. When Ley asked him if other contests were still running in this space he seemed to not know the answer (it would have been easy: 2). He did, however, inform folks that Ian Ritchie and likely Emil Kadlec are interested in returning to the space I agree 100%, and I feel Quinn just "winged it". If this would of been the Jerry Sandusky scandal, etc., I would bet he would of put more time into it.
As for Ian and Emil starting a new league, that is something I didn't know as well. There is always room for GOOD people starting a new contest in this space. I have never officially met Ian or Emil, but I have no reason to think either one wouldn't do the best they could to create a quality contest. [/QUOTE]While very much disappointed in Ian telling me twice that there was a "done deal" only to find out that it wasn't actually done and each time they found out more at the last second that was a bit "off" on the facts presented to them, I know him well and he is a guy you can shake hands with on an agreement and know it is good. The only other person in the industry I know well enough to say that about is Greg. Dave and Tom would pretty much qualify as well even though I don't know them quite as well. I do know Ian has huge plans and a great ideas so things most certainly will get interesting next year.
As for the piece, I learned two things. One, I shouldn't have done an interview on a Tuesday morning about two hours before I wake up after a Monday night football hangover. And secondly, I wish that NFFC and FFPC would have been mentioned as reputable companies, especially since Ian specifically mentioned them as such twice each in his interview. First I heard about Lakeside considering getting involved in fantasy football. Found that surprising given how the first go around went. [/QUOTE]'inform folks that Ian Ritchie and likely Emil Kadlec are interested in returning to the space'
It all came out, now we know why. Ian do you want to split a team with me in your Contest? :rolleyes:
Everyone asked or said that I had reason for what I did, of course that is not true. Ian was invested in a Huge way. Chad, Ian told you twice that a deal was done, or did you misunderstand him.
Good Luck in joining that Contest.
By the way Dustin looked Healthy and has a nice Home. Good for him.
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
However, Quinn seemed unprepared for the live questions from Bob Ley at the end. When Ley asked him if other contests were still running in this space he seemed to not know the answer (it would have been easy: 2). He did, however, inform folks that Ian Ritchie and likely Emil Kadlec are interested in returning to the space I agree 100%, and I feel Quinn just "winged it". If this would of been the Jerry Sandusky scandal, etc., I would bet he would of put more time into it.
As for Ian and Emil starting a new league, that is something I didn't know as well. There is always room for GOOD people starting a new contest in this space. I have never officially met Ian or Emil, but I have no reason to think either one wouldn't do the best they could to create a quality contest. [/QUOTE]While very much disappointed in Ian telling me twice that there was a "done deal" only to find out that it wasn't actually done and each time they found out more at the last second that was a bit "off" on the facts presented to them, I know him well and he is a guy you can shake hands with on an agreement and know it is good. The only other person in the industry I know well enough to say that about is Greg. Dave and Tom would pretty much qualify as well even though I don't know them quite as well. I do know Ian has huge plans and a great ideas so things most certainly will get interesting next year.
As for the piece, I learned two things. One, I shouldn't have done an interview on a Tuesday morning about two hours before I wake up after a Monday night football hangover. And secondly, I wish that NFFC and FFPC would have been mentioned as reputable companies, especially since Ian specifically mentioned them as such twice each in his interview. First I heard about Lakeside considering getting involved in fantasy football. Found that surprising given how the first go around went. [/QUOTE]'inform folks that Ian Ritchie and likely Emil Kadlec are interested in returning to the space'
It all came out, now we know why. Ian do you want to split a team with me in your Contest? :rolleyes:
Everyone asked or said that I had reason for what I did, of course that is not true. Ian was invested in a Huge way. Chad, Ian told you twice that a deal was done, or did you misunderstand him.
Good Luck in joining that Contest.
By the way Dustin looked Healthy and has a nice Home. Good for him.
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Originally posted by Raiders:
quote:Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
However, Quinn seemed unprepared for the live questions from Bob Ley at the end. When Ley asked him if other contests were still running in this space he seemed to not know the answer (it would have been easy: 2). He did, however, inform folks that Ian Ritchie and likely Emil Kadlec are interested in returning to the space I agree 100%, and I feel Quinn just "winged it". If this would of been the Jerry Sandusky scandal, etc., I would bet he would of put more time into it.
As for Ian and Emil starting a new league, that is something I didn't know as well. There is always room for GOOD people starting a new contest in this space. I have never officially met Ian or Emil, but I have no reason to think either one wouldn't do the best they could to create a quality contest. [/QUOTE]While very much disappointed in Ian telling me twice that there was a "done deal" only to find out that it wasn't actually done and each time they found out more at the last second that was a bit "off" on the facts presented to them, I know him well and he is a guy you can shake hands with on an agreement and know it is good. The only other person in the industry I know well enough to say that about is Greg. Dave and Tom would pretty much qualify as well even though I don't know them quite as well. I do know Ian has huge plans and a great ideas so things most certainly will get interesting next year.
As for the piece, I learned two things. One, I shouldn't have done an interview on a Tuesday morning about two hours before I wake up after a Monday night football hangover. And secondly, I wish that NFFC and FFPC would have been mentioned as reputable companies, especially since Ian specifically mentioned them as such twice each in his interview. First I heard about Lakeside considering getting involved in fantasy football. Found that surprising given how the first go around went. [/QUOTE]'inform folks that Ian Ritchie and likely Emil Kadlec are interested in returning to the space'
It all came out, now we know why. Ian do you want to split a team with me in your Contest? :rolleyes:
Everyone asked or said that I had reason for what I did, of course that is not true. Ian was invested in a Huge way. Chad, Ian told you twice that a deal was done, or did you misunderstand him.
Good Luck in joining that Contest.
By the way Dustin looked Healthy and has a nice Home. Good for him. [/QUOTE]You do not deserve and will not get a response.
quote:Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
However, Quinn seemed unprepared for the live questions from Bob Ley at the end. When Ley asked him if other contests were still running in this space he seemed to not know the answer (it would have been easy: 2). He did, however, inform folks that Ian Ritchie and likely Emil Kadlec are interested in returning to the space I agree 100%, and I feel Quinn just "winged it". If this would of been the Jerry Sandusky scandal, etc., I would bet he would of put more time into it.
As for Ian and Emil starting a new league, that is something I didn't know as well. There is always room for GOOD people starting a new contest in this space. I have never officially met Ian or Emil, but I have no reason to think either one wouldn't do the best they could to create a quality contest. [/QUOTE]While very much disappointed in Ian telling me twice that there was a "done deal" only to find out that it wasn't actually done and each time they found out more at the last second that was a bit "off" on the facts presented to them, I know him well and he is a guy you can shake hands with on an agreement and know it is good. The only other person in the industry I know well enough to say that about is Greg. Dave and Tom would pretty much qualify as well even though I don't know them quite as well. I do know Ian has huge plans and a great ideas so things most certainly will get interesting next year.
As for the piece, I learned two things. One, I shouldn't have done an interview on a Tuesday morning about two hours before I wake up after a Monday night football hangover. And secondly, I wish that NFFC and FFPC would have been mentioned as reputable companies, especially since Ian specifically mentioned them as such twice each in his interview. First I heard about Lakeside considering getting involved in fantasy football. Found that surprising given how the first go around went. [/QUOTE]'inform folks that Ian Ritchie and likely Emil Kadlec are interested in returning to the space'
It all came out, now we know why. Ian do you want to split a team with me in your Contest? :rolleyes:
Everyone asked or said that I had reason for what I did, of course that is not true. Ian was invested in a Huge way. Chad, Ian told you twice that a deal was done, or did you misunderstand him.
Good Luck in joining that Contest.
By the way Dustin looked Healthy and has a nice Home. Good for him. [/QUOTE]You do not deserve and will not get a response.
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John, I honestly have no idea what your intent is in this thread. All of your posts have winks and grins and smiles and an underlying tone of "I'm so much smarter than all of you idiots."
If you want to pat yourself on the back and tell everyone how smart you were for possibly seeing warning signs with WCOFF, you can do that elsewhere. The fact of the matter is many people saw warning signs with what was transpiring so you're hardly alone in that regard. I mentioned my first experience in 2007. In the ESPN piece, Ian Ritchie talked about seeing things that troubled him around the same time. Others did too. But I don't think anyone saw the level of destruction that would eventually take its toll.
More importantly, as I posted previously in this thread, this isn't the time or place for self-fulling congratulations. This isn't a cause for celebration or rubbing good people's noses in being victimized by what transpired with WCOFF. It's not wanted and it serves no useful purpose in this discussion.
If you want to pat yourself on the back and tell everyone how smart you were for possibly seeing warning signs with WCOFF, you can do that elsewhere. The fact of the matter is many people saw warning signs with what was transpiring so you're hardly alone in that regard. I mentioned my first experience in 2007. In the ESPN piece, Ian Ritchie talked about seeing things that troubled him around the same time. Others did too. But I don't think anyone saw the level of destruction that would eventually take its toll.
More importantly, as I posted previously in this thread, this isn't the time or place for self-fulling congratulations. This isn't a cause for celebration or rubbing good people's noses in being victimized by what transpired with WCOFF. It's not wanted and it serves no useful purpose in this discussion.
Tom Kessenich
Manager of High Stakes Fantasy Games, SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @TomKessenich
Manager of High Stakes Fantasy Games, SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @TomKessenich
Thoughts On ESPN's Outside The Lines Show On WCOFF
Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
John, I honestly have no idea what your intent is in this thread. All of your posts have winks and grins and smiles and an underlying tone of "I'm so much smarter than all of you idiots."
If you want to pat yourself on the back and tell everyone how smart you were for possibly seeing warning signs with WCOFF, you can do that elsewhere. The fact of the matter is many people saw warning signs with what was transpiring so you're hardly alone in that regard. I mentioned my first experience in 2007. In the ESPN piece, Ian Ritchie talked about seeing things that troubled him around the same time. Others did too. But I don't think anyone saw the level of destruction that would eventually take its toll.
More importantly, as I posted previously in this thread, this isn't the time or place for self-fulling congratulations. This isn't a cause for celebration or rubbing good people's noses in being victimized by what transpired with WCOFF. It's not wanted and it serves no useful purpose in this discussion. Tom,
Not saying that I was smarted than anyone else. Not rubbing anyone's noses. Not bragging or pattening my back. No smiles or wicks.
But your message board, so I'll move on from the mess that is.
John, I honestly have no idea what your intent is in this thread. All of your posts have winks and grins and smiles and an underlying tone of "I'm so much smarter than all of you idiots."
If you want to pat yourself on the back and tell everyone how smart you were for possibly seeing warning signs with WCOFF, you can do that elsewhere. The fact of the matter is many people saw warning signs with what was transpiring so you're hardly alone in that regard. I mentioned my first experience in 2007. In the ESPN piece, Ian Ritchie talked about seeing things that troubled him around the same time. Others did too. But I don't think anyone saw the level of destruction that would eventually take its toll.
More importantly, as I posted previously in this thread, this isn't the time or place for self-fulling congratulations. This isn't a cause for celebration or rubbing good people's noses in being victimized by what transpired with WCOFF. It's not wanted and it serves no useful purpose in this discussion. Tom,
Not saying that I was smarted than anyone else. Not rubbing anyone's noses. Not bragging or pattening my back. No smiles or wicks.
But your message board, so I'll move on from the mess that is.
Thoughts On ESPN's Outside The Lines Show On WCOFF
Originally posted by Raiders:
quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
John, I honestly have no idea what your intent is in this thread. All of your posts have winks and grins and smiles and an underlying tone of "I'm so much smarter than all of you idiots."
If you want to pat yourself on the back and tell everyone how smart you were for possibly seeing warning signs with WCOFF, you can do that elsewhere. The fact of the matter is many people saw warning signs with what was transpiring so you're hardly alone in that regard. I mentioned my first experience in 2007. In the ESPN piece, Ian Ritchie talked about seeing things that troubled him around the same time. Others did too. But I don't think anyone saw the level of destruction that would eventually take its toll.
More importantly, as I posted previously in this thread, this isn't the time or place for self-fulling congratulations. This isn't a cause for celebration or rubbing good people's noses in being victimized by what transpired with WCOFF. It's not wanted and it serves no useful purpose in this discussion. Tom,
Not saying that I was smarted than anyone else. Not rubbing anyone's noses. Not bragging or pattening my back. No smiles or wicks.
But your message board, so I'll move on from the mess that is. [/QUOTE]The English language brought to an all new low...
quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
John, I honestly have no idea what your intent is in this thread. All of your posts have winks and grins and smiles and an underlying tone of "I'm so much smarter than all of you idiots."
If you want to pat yourself on the back and tell everyone how smart you were for possibly seeing warning signs with WCOFF, you can do that elsewhere. The fact of the matter is many people saw warning signs with what was transpiring so you're hardly alone in that regard. I mentioned my first experience in 2007. In the ESPN piece, Ian Ritchie talked about seeing things that troubled him around the same time. Others did too. But I don't think anyone saw the level of destruction that would eventually take its toll.
More importantly, as I posted previously in this thread, this isn't the time or place for self-fulling congratulations. This isn't a cause for celebration or rubbing good people's noses in being victimized by what transpired with WCOFF. It's not wanted and it serves no useful purpose in this discussion. Tom,
Not saying that I was smarted than anyone else. Not rubbing anyone's noses. Not bragging or pattening my back. No smiles or wicks.
But your message board, so I'll move on from the mess that is. [/QUOTE]The English language brought to an all new low...
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Originally posted by da bears:
I thought that overall is was a decent show but as others have said it would have been nice for ESPN to have mentioned that the NFFC and the FFPC have always paid their winners. I'm just guessing here, but it would seem that any specific mention of the NFFC or FFPC might come off as an endorsement of these venues. If either was to ever have an issue down the line, I doubt ESPN would like to have been seen as endorsing them.
We on the other hand can gladly endorse them.
Pete
I thought that overall is was a decent show but as others have said it would have been nice for ESPN to have mentioned that the NFFC and the FFPC have always paid their winners. I'm just guessing here, but it would seem that any specific mention of the NFFC or FFPC might come off as an endorsement of these venues. If either was to ever have an issue down the line, I doubt ESPN would like to have been seen as endorsing them.
We on the other hand can gladly endorse them.
Pete
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Originally posted by Quahogs:
quote:Originally posted by Raiders:
quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
John, I honestly have no idea what your intent is in this thread. All of your posts have winks and grins and smiles and an underlying tone of "I'm so much smarter than all of you idiots."
If you want to pat yourself on the back and tell everyone how smart you were for possibly seeing warning signs with WCOFF, you can do that elsewhere. The fact of the matter is many people saw warning signs with what was transpiring so you're hardly alone in that regard. I mentioned my first experience in 2007. In the ESPN piece, Ian Ritchie talked about seeing things that troubled him around the same time. Others did too. But I don't think anyone saw the level of destruction that would eventually take its toll.
More importantly, as I posted previously in this thread, this isn't the time or place for self-fulling congratulations. This isn't a cause for celebration or rubbing good people's noses in being victimized by what transpired with WCOFF. It's not wanted and it serves no useful purpose in this discussion. Tom,
Not saying that I was smarted than anyone else. Not rubbing anyone's noses. Not bragging or pattening my back. No smiles or wicks.
But your message board, so I'll move on from the mess that is. [/QUOTE]The English language brought to an all new low... [/QUOTE]Looks like John is a "Fargin Ice-Hole"
Roman Moroni
quote:Originally posted by Raiders:
quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
John, I honestly have no idea what your intent is in this thread. All of your posts have winks and grins and smiles and an underlying tone of "I'm so much smarter than all of you idiots."
If you want to pat yourself on the back and tell everyone how smart you were for possibly seeing warning signs with WCOFF, you can do that elsewhere. The fact of the matter is many people saw warning signs with what was transpiring so you're hardly alone in that regard. I mentioned my first experience in 2007. In the ESPN piece, Ian Ritchie talked about seeing things that troubled him around the same time. Others did too. But I don't think anyone saw the level of destruction that would eventually take its toll.
More importantly, as I posted previously in this thread, this isn't the time or place for self-fulling congratulations. This isn't a cause for celebration or rubbing good people's noses in being victimized by what transpired with WCOFF. It's not wanted and it serves no useful purpose in this discussion. Tom,
Not saying that I was smarted than anyone else. Not rubbing anyone's noses. Not bragging or pattening my back. No smiles or wicks.
But your message board, so I'll move on from the mess that is. [/QUOTE]The English language brought to an all new low... [/QUOTE]Looks like John is a "Fargin Ice-Hole"
Roman Moroni
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Originally posted by Raiders:
quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
John, I honestly have no idea what your intent is in this thread. All of your posts have winks and grins and smiles and an underlying tone of "I'm so much smarter than all of you idiots."
If you want to pat yourself on the back and tell everyone how smart you were for possibly seeing warning signs with WCOFF, you can do that elsewhere. The fact of the matter is many people saw warning signs with what was transpiring so you're hardly alone in that regard. I mentioned my first experience in 2007. In the ESPN piece, Ian Ritchie talked about seeing things that troubled him around the same time. Others did too. But I don't think anyone saw the level of destruction that would eventually take its toll.
More importantly, as I posted previously in this thread, this isn't the time or place for self-fulling congratulations. This isn't a cause for celebration or rubbing good people's noses in being victimized by what transpired with WCOFF. It's not wanted and it serves no useful purpose in this discussion. Tom,
Not saying that I was smarted than anyone else. Not rubbing anyone's noses. Not bragging or pattening my back. No smiles or wicks.
But your message board, so I'll move on from the mess that is. [/QUOTE]You don't play in this contest and you are not owed money from WCOFF. Plus you have nothing valuable to add to the conversation. Heck, you don't even play at all. So why continue to troll the boards and post smart ass remarks to the people that are owed money?
Take your ball and go home. No one wants to play.
quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
John, I honestly have no idea what your intent is in this thread. All of your posts have winks and grins and smiles and an underlying tone of "I'm so much smarter than all of you idiots."
If you want to pat yourself on the back and tell everyone how smart you were for possibly seeing warning signs with WCOFF, you can do that elsewhere. The fact of the matter is many people saw warning signs with what was transpiring so you're hardly alone in that regard. I mentioned my first experience in 2007. In the ESPN piece, Ian Ritchie talked about seeing things that troubled him around the same time. Others did too. But I don't think anyone saw the level of destruction that would eventually take its toll.
More importantly, as I posted previously in this thread, this isn't the time or place for self-fulling congratulations. This isn't a cause for celebration or rubbing good people's noses in being victimized by what transpired with WCOFF. It's not wanted and it serves no useful purpose in this discussion. Tom,
Not saying that I was smarted than anyone else. Not rubbing anyone's noses. Not bragging or pattening my back. No smiles or wicks.
But your message board, so I'll move on from the mess that is. [/QUOTE]You don't play in this contest and you are not owed money from WCOFF. Plus you have nothing valuable to add to the conversation. Heck, you don't even play at all. So why continue to troll the boards and post smart ass remarks to the people that are owed money?
Take your ball and go home. No one wants to play.
Winning isn't everything, but the will to win is.
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Back to the topic...
Does anyone know HOW MANY fantasy players are owed significant $? Lets put "significant $" at $500 or more.
Does anyone have any clue as to where they entry fee's went? Did Dustin suddenly have a luxury home in the Carolinas? I haven't followed the story very closely but have felt horrible for those who were impacted. I played the WCOFF in 2009 and won my league (dead in post season chase). I got my check and was happy with the season. Last year I didn't play but likely would have if I had the extra money to play.
If I won meaningful money and didn't get paid I would be out of my mind about it.
Does anyone know HOW MANY fantasy players are owed significant $? Lets put "significant $" at $500 or more.
Does anyone have any clue as to where they entry fee's went? Did Dustin suddenly have a luxury home in the Carolinas? I haven't followed the story very closely but have felt horrible for those who were impacted. I played the WCOFF in 2009 and won my league (dead in post season chase). I got my check and was happy with the season. Last year I didn't play but likely would have if I had the extra money to play.
If I won meaningful money and didn't get paid I would be out of my mind about it.