3RR Point/Counterpoint For The Magazine

TURBOUGH · Post by **TURBOUGH** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:26 am

No offense Gordo but why would we want to see stats from another site? Just curious.

Nag' · Post by **Nag'** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:36 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
Lou (or anyone else) - since you are into facts, can you post the draft slot makeup of the top 10% of regular season points scorers in the wcoff, for every year the wcoff has been around? Thanks. Why bring WCOFF into this? The debate isn't whether 3RR is good for 12-team league, but for 14-teamers, specifically NFFC. You haven't addressed the matter of 2002 and 2004 yet you are ready to expand debate to irrelevant issues. Let's stick to the NFFC for now.

Btw, I don't have those figures.

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:59 am

Originally posted by 3INTBOYNag pointed it out and I have pointed out that in 40% of the years 3RR would HURT the top owners. [/QB]This is great news... Still 10% to go so it's 50-50!!!

But realistically, 41-26-23 will become 34/35-28-27/28 like I posted before.

Team Legacy · Post by **Team Legacy** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:30 am

Originally posted by UFS:
quote:Originally posted by 3INTBOYNag pointed it out and I have pointed out that in 40% of the years 3RR would HURT the top owners. This is great news... Still 10% to go so it's 50-50!!!

But realistically, 41-26-23 will become 34/35-28-27/28 like I posted before. [/QB][/QUOTE]I like the way this guy thinks.
Do you draft in Vegas/NY or Chicago?

I'll be chumming it up with the gang in Chicago.

3INTBOY · Post by **3INTBOY** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:40 am

Originally posted by David Comings:
Our local high stakes league decided to try 3RR due to the perceived disadvantage of not getting a top pick. The year we tried it in was 1999. The top two picks that year were Terrell Davis (out for the year in week 4) and Jamal Anderson (out of the year in week 2). 3RR gave a huge edge to the bottom the draft, and the top two finishers were from the last two draft slots. The 3RR experiment lasted all of 1 season. cricket, cricket....

I STILL never said I didn't like it. But this IS THE historical premise for my questioning it...

3'

wayne123 · Post by **wayne123** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:58 am

The NFL rates the top draft pick at 3000 points as compared to the 14th pick at 1100. This number would be even more lopsided if the NFL could draft all players each year (including vets) and only had 20 slots instead of 53. But, even without these pluses, the NFL still finds the first pick nearly 3 times as valuable as the 14th! 3RR will only even this out a little: here is how the NFL would rate the first three picks from positions 1, 7, and 14 using 3RR:

Position 1: Pk 1=3000, Pk 28=720, Pk 42=480
Total: 4,200 points.

Position 7: Pk 7=1500, Pk 22=800, Pk 35=600
Total: 2,900 points.

Position 14: Pk 14=1100, Pk 15=1100, Pk 29=720
Total: 2,920.

Here is my source (2004): ****://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/ ... eValue.htm

The bottom line: 3RR does pull late picks even with middle picks, but the top picks still have an extreme advantage.

Nag' · Post by **Nag'** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:18 am

Originally posted by Blue_Foot:
The NFL rates the top draft pick at 3000 points as compared to the 14th pick at 1100. This number would be even more lopsided if the NFL could draft all players each year (including vets) and only had 20 slots instead of 53. But, even without these pluses, the NFL still finds the first pick nearly 3 times as valuable as the 14th! 3RR will only even this out a little: here is how the NFL would rate the first three picks from positions 1, 7, and 14 using 3RR:

Position 1: Pk 1=3000, Pk 28=720, Pk 42=480
Total: 4,200 points.

Position 7: Pk 7=1500, Pk 22=800, Pk 35=600
Total: 2,900 points.

Position 14: Pk 14=1100, Pk 15=1100, Pk 29=720
Total: 2,920.

Here is my source (2004): ****://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/ ... eValue.htm

The bottom line: 3RR does pull late picks even with middle picks, but the top picks still have an extreme advantage. The points of evaluation used by the NFL are not nearly similar or applicable for the purposes of FF. 1st player is 3 times more valuable than the 14th? Only if LT2 (or whomever you draft at #1) scores 450 every year.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:21 am

Originally posted by Nag':
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
Lou (or anyone else) - since you are into facts, can you post the draft slot makeup of the top 10% of regular season points scorers in the wcoff, for every year the wcoff has been around? Thanks. Why bring WCOFF into this? The debate isn't whether 3RR is good for 12-team league, but for 14-teamers, specifically NFFC. You haven't addressed the matter of 2002 and 2004 yet you are ready to expand debate to irrelevant issues. Let's stick to the NFFC for now.

Btw, I don't have those figures. [/QUOTE]you say, "let's stick to the NFFC for now." last i checked, the NFFC wasn't around for more than 3 years, maybe i'm missing something there.

in any event, you (and lou) are posting CONJECTURE as to how 3RR would affect a year like 2002 in the NFFC. no offense, but i'd like to see the draft results from the most similar league around (WCOFF) and see what the FACTS are concerning that league. why are you getting so defensive? and why hasn't lou responded to my question? hmmm....

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:23 am

btw nag - since you made it crystal clear that your main concern with 3RR is slots 7 and 8, i can't wait to see how you guys try to sell that one.

Nag' · Post by **Nag'** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:28 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
in any event, you (and lou) are posting CONJECTURE as to how 3RR would affect a year like 2002 in the NFFC. no offense, but i'd like to see the draft results from the most similar league around (WCOFF) and see what the FACTS are concerning that league. why are you getting so defensive? and why hasn't lou responded to my question? hmmm.... Relax dude. You have the ADP and the final stats from 2002. Why not use them? I am sure you are smart enough to put 2 & 2 together to see if the top slots did well or not. Why increase margin of error by introducing the results of a 12 team league into the evaluation. Doesn't make sense unless you're looking to get a specific result? Are you looking for a specific result or are you being objective?