As for agreeing with NAG, UYT, this is not a first and NAG has intelligent insight most of the time he gets on here. It's just when he hits a mean streak that you want to choke him.
14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
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Excellent start, Photon. Can't wait on the comments to this as it has merit.
As for agreeing with NAG, UYT, this is not a first and NAG has intelligent insight most of the time he gets on here. It's just when he hits a mean streak that you want to choke him.
As for agreeing with NAG, UYT, this is not a first and NAG has intelligent insight most of the time he gets on here. It's just when he hits a mean streak that you want to choke him.
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14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
Originally posted by Ugly Yellow Tomatoes:
Think about it ... if 14 and 12 are no different ... than neither is 12 and 6. Anyone up for a six team league? Ewwwww ... that would be a hard draft ... maybe we could all just take a couple players at a time when it's our pick so we can get the draft over with so we can do something else more fun? Yea ... 14 and 12 are no different ... Your killin me here Nag!
This is absolutely correct. 14 is no different than 12, 12 is no different than 10 and so on. I'm not saying playing in a 10 teamer is as difficult as a 14. What I am saying is that each league presents it's own level of difficulty and if you think just because you play in a 14 teamer, you're going to be some sort of a "ringer" if they put you in 10 team league, you are mistaken.
Think about it ... if 14 and 12 are no different ... than neither is 12 and 6. Anyone up for a six team league? Ewwwww ... that would be a hard draft ... maybe we could all just take a couple players at a time when it's our pick so we can get the draft over with so we can do something else more fun? Yea ... 14 and 12 are no different ... Your killin me here Nag!
This is absolutely correct. 14 is no different than 12, 12 is no different than 10 and so on. I'm not saying playing in a 10 teamer is as difficult as a 14. What I am saying is that each league presents it's own level of difficulty and if you think just because you play in a 14 teamer, you're going to be some sort of a "ringer" if they put you in 10 team league, you are mistaken.
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Originally posted by Shrink Attack:
quote:Originally posted by GOD Loves You:
18 rds 252 players drafted
18 rds 216 players drafted
That's a difference of 36 players, equivalent to 3 more teams in a 12 team league. How can this not make it easier?? Again, we are talking about adept drafters, not inept. And I know every league is comprised of both. Patrick...you points are well taken, but in all fairness to the "other" league, their draft lasts 20 rounds instead of 18, so the total players drafted in that format is 240 instead of 216. [/QUOTE]Paul, I wasn't even talking about the other contest, was just using the 18 rds as a cutoff.
quote:Originally posted by GOD Loves You:
18 rds 252 players drafted
18 rds 216 players drafted
That's a difference of 36 players, equivalent to 3 more teams in a 12 team league. How can this not make it easier?? Again, we are talking about adept drafters, not inept. And I know every league is comprised of both. Patrick...you points are well taken, but in all fairness to the "other" league, their draft lasts 20 rounds instead of 18, so the total players drafted in that format is 240 instead of 216. [/QUOTE]Paul, I wasn't even talking about the other contest, was just using the 18 rds as a cutoff.
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14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
Originally posted by Tamuscarecrow:
Excellent start, Photon. Can't wait on the comments to this as it has merit.
As for agreeing with NAG, UYT, this is not a first and NAG has intelligent insight most of the time he gets on here. It's just when he hits a mean streak that you want to choke him. Good post Photon ... I would agree to that in a heartbeat over KDS and everyone getting $1000 FA money.
I have no problem agreeing with Nag ... I usually agree with him too. But lets stay on topic! ...
Excellent start, Photon. Can't wait on the comments to this as it has merit.
As for agreeing with NAG, UYT, this is not a first and NAG has intelligent insight most of the time he gets on here. It's just when he hits a mean streak that you want to choke him.
Good post Photon ... I would agree to that in a heartbeat over KDS and everyone getting $1000 FA money.I have no problem agreeing with Nag ... I usually agree with him too. But lets stay on topic! ...
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Originally posted by photon express:
My opinion: 14 teams is our "trademark"; I wouldn't change that.
My next thought (and it is only a thought right now, I am not committed to the idea yet) is something like this in the Kentucky Derby Style Leagues. Draft Choice below stands for the choice you were given and not the Draft Position you selected:
Draft Choice FAB $$
1 350
2 400
3 450
4 500
5 550
6 600
7 650
8 700
9 750
10 800
11 850
12 900
13 950
14 1000
Just a thought. But it adds something to even the slate a bit.
Photon Don't think this would fly, especially this season. In many leagues, the 7th overall selection could go as low as 12th-14th, making this a little unfair. I would be beyond upset to draw the 7th selection and have to start off with $350 less in FA funds compared to the 14th, who just might have the same opportunity to draft the same player I took with the 7th pick.
It might work, but still like the BBDS best. A lot of people deal with FAAB for the first time here, so I am not quite sure how BBDS is any different.
People think it would turn folks away. Well in case you haven't noticed, the contestant number isn't doubling or anything. If people could see they have a direct influence on their draft position, it actually might help increase the contestant pool faster.
KDS is nice, but it still lends itself to random selection, with some input from owners, but not the way BBDS would. I can't wait for the Snake Classic so I can actually get a top 3 pick! $900+++++ is ready to go.
My opinion: 14 teams is our "trademark"; I wouldn't change that.
My next thought (and it is only a thought right now, I am not committed to the idea yet) is something like this in the Kentucky Derby Style Leagues. Draft Choice below stands for the choice you were given and not the Draft Position you selected:
Draft Choice FAB $$
1 350
2 400
3 450
4 500
5 550
6 600
7 650
8 700
9 750
10 800
11 850
12 900
13 950
14 1000
Just a thought. But it adds something to even the slate a bit.
Photon Don't think this would fly, especially this season. In many leagues, the 7th overall selection could go as low as 12th-14th, making this a little unfair. I would be beyond upset to draw the 7th selection and have to start off with $350 less in FA funds compared to the 14th, who just might have the same opportunity to draft the same player I took with the 7th pick.
It might work, but still like the BBDS best. A lot of people deal with FAAB for the first time here, so I am not quite sure how BBDS is any different.
People think it would turn folks away. Well in case you haven't noticed, the contestant number isn't doubling or anything. If people could see they have a direct influence on their draft position, it actually might help increase the contestant pool faster.
KDS is nice, but it still lends itself to random selection, with some input from owners, but not the way BBDS would. I can't wait for the Snake Classic so I can actually get a top 3 pick! $900+++++ is ready to go.
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14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
Originally posted by RiFF:
I disagree with the person who feels you have more "options" in a 12 team set up and are more pigeon-holed into a "base" strategy in a 14 team league. In actuality what I believe happens is that in a 12 team league you can make a number of drafting mistakes and overcome them; while in a 14 team league those drafting mistakes will quickly put you into the 2nd tier of teams and keep you there. So, if thats defined as options, than I would agree that 12 team leagues have more options.(too mistakes)
Yes, that is what I meant by having "less options" to have a successful 14 team draft. There is a winning formula to a 14 teamer which generally will put you in a position to build a good team. 12 team drafts have more options (formulas) to having a solid draft so you can also make the argument that it is more forgiving of mistakes.
I disagree with the person who feels you have more "options" in a 12 team set up and are more pigeon-holed into a "base" strategy in a 14 team league. In actuality what I believe happens is that in a 12 team league you can make a number of drafting mistakes and overcome them; while in a 14 team league those drafting mistakes will quickly put you into the 2nd tier of teams and keep you there. So, if thats defined as options, than I would agree that 12 team leagues have more options.(too mistakes)
Yes, that is what I meant by having "less options" to have a successful 14 team draft. There is a winning formula to a 14 teamer which generally will put you in a position to build a good team. 12 team drafts have more options (formulas) to having a solid draft so you can also make the argument that it is more forgiving of mistakes.
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14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
Originally posted by Nag':
quote:Originally posted by Ugly Yellow Tomatoes:
Think about it ... if 14 and 12 are no different ... than neither is 12 and 6. Anyone up for a six team league? Ewwwww ... that would be a hard draft ... maybe we could all just take a couple players at a time when it's our pick so we can get the draft over with so we can do something else more fun? Yea ... 14 and 12 are no different ... Your killin me here Nag!
This is absolutely correct. 14 is no different than 12, 12 is no different than 10 and so on. I'm not saying playing in a 10 teamer is as difficult as a 14. What I am saying is that each league presents it's own level of difficulty and if you think just because you play in a 14 teamer, you're going to be some sort of a "ringer" if they put you in 10 team league, you are mistaken. [/QUOTE]I totally agree with this ... but this isn't what you said earlier in the posts.
Originally posted by Nag':
Consider this thought for a second.
While it seems to be the popular belief to think that 12 team leagues are "easier" that 14 teamers, I think this is an illogical conclusion.This is what I disagreed with ... your original statement!
Originally posted by Nag':
their ability to win in 12 teamers is NO EASIER than their ability to win in 14.
That is my position. Discuss.
mathmatically 1 in 12 or 1 in 14 (I like 1 in 12 odds of winning as it WOULD be easier )
But who said anything about all owners being the same in ability? If thats the case ... lets just draw straws for the money!
If I gave my neice a cheet sheet and asked her to draft a team in a 6 person league ... I beleive she would come up with a team with a fighting chance. If I did the same with a 14 team league ... she is dead money!
If your statement is with the same ability ... your odds of winning is 1 divided by the number of contestents. Duh?
Since I am not really sure what you are saying ... I'll be clear!
14 teams will seperate the contenders from the pretenders more than a 12 team league (it's harder). 12 is harder than 8 ... which is harder than 6 ... my neice could draft a good team in a six person league.
quote:Originally posted by Ugly Yellow Tomatoes:
Think about it ... if 14 and 12 are no different ... than neither is 12 and 6. Anyone up for a six team league? Ewwwww ... that would be a hard draft ... maybe we could all just take a couple players at a time when it's our pick so we can get the draft over with so we can do something else more fun? Yea ... 14 and 12 are no different ... Your killin me here Nag!
This is absolutely correct. 14 is no different than 12, 12 is no different than 10 and so on. I'm not saying playing in a 10 teamer is as difficult as a 14. What I am saying is that each league presents it's own level of difficulty and if you think just because you play in a 14 teamer, you're going to be some sort of a "ringer" if they put you in 10 team league, you are mistaken. [/QUOTE]I totally agree with this ... but this isn't what you said earlier in the posts.
Originally posted by Nag':
Consider this thought for a second.
While it seems to be the popular belief to think that 12 team leagues are "easier" that 14 teamers, I think this is an illogical conclusion.This is what I disagreed with ... your original statement!
Originally posted by Nag':
their ability to win in 12 teamers is NO EASIER than their ability to win in 14.
That is my position. Discuss.
mathmatically 1 in 12 or 1 in 14 (I like 1 in 12 odds of winning as it WOULD be easier )
But who said anything about all owners being the same in ability? If thats the case ... lets just draw straws for the money!
If I gave my neice a cheet sheet and asked her to draft a team in a 6 person league ... I beleive she would come up with a team with a fighting chance. If I did the same with a 14 team league ... she is dead money!
If your statement is with the same ability ... your odds of winning is 1 divided by the number of contestents. Duh?
Since I am not really sure what you are saying ... I'll be clear!
14 teams will seperate the contenders from the pretenders more than a 12 team league (it's harder). 12 is harder than 8 ... which is harder than 6 ... my neice could draft a good team in a six person league.
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Originally posted by GOD Loves You:
quote:Originally posted by photon express:
My opinion: 14 teams is our "trademark"; I wouldn't change that.
My next thought (and it is only a thought right now, I am not committed to the idea yet) is something like this in the Kentucky Derby Style Leagues. Draft Choice below stands for the choice you were given and not the Draft Position you selected:
Draft Choice FAB $$
1 350
2 400
3 450
4 500
5 550
6 600
7 650
8 700
9 750
10 800
11 850
12 900
13 950
14 1000
Just a thought. But it adds something to even the slate a bit.
Photon In many leagues, the 7th overall selection could go as low as 12th-14th, making this a little unfair. I would be beyond upset to draw the 7th selection and have to start off with $350 less in FA funds compared to the 14th, who just might have the same opportunity to draft the same player I took with the 7th pick.
[/QUOTE]Sure ... but with no perfect system ... this would still be better than 1000 to all. At least at 7th pick you get double the money of the guy with the first pick. Right now your equal ... how is that better?
quote:Originally posted by photon express:
My opinion: 14 teams is our "trademark"; I wouldn't change that.
My next thought (and it is only a thought right now, I am not committed to the idea yet) is something like this in the Kentucky Derby Style Leagues. Draft Choice below stands for the choice you were given and not the Draft Position you selected:
Draft Choice FAB $$
1 350
2 400
3 450
4 500
5 550
6 600
7 650
8 700
9 750
10 800
11 850
12 900
13 950
14 1000
Just a thought. But it adds something to even the slate a bit.
Photon In many leagues, the 7th overall selection could go as low as 12th-14th, making this a little unfair. I would be beyond upset to draw the 7th selection and have to start off with $350 less in FA funds compared to the 14th, who just might have the same opportunity to draft the same player I took with the 7th pick.
[/QUOTE]Sure ... but with no perfect system ... this would still be better than 1000 to all. At least at 7th pick you get double the money of the guy with the first pick. Right now your equal ... how is that better?
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14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
UYT, when I originally said "12 team leagues are "easier" that 14 teamers, I think this is an illogical conclusion", I meant that just because you play in a 14 teamer does not mean a 12 teamer will be easier to win. Or if you are in a 12 teamer, you will own 10 teamers. If you are a better player, have more skill and knowledge, that is what will allow you to win. Just because an owner plays in smaller league, does not mean you are better than he is ..... you may be in YOUR league (14) but ne necessarily in HIS league (12 or 10).
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