Originally posted by Route C:
If GG agrees....we do the GekkoIII league this year using the above format. You and Tom follow the league ALL year from draft to championship and do a nice promotional piece using the league as an example. If you can get Josh involved then you'd have both NFFC champs, which makes for a nice read to newbies.
josh has been in the Gekko league both years. both NFFC champs have been in the gekko league for both years.
14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
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Gordon Gekko
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14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
Is my "weekend warrior" prep better than your prep?
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14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
Originally posted by SNAKE:
it is certainly NOT a flawless system by any means...everything about it is better than random draw or KD draw. let the market decide
Originally posted by SNAKE:
many on this MB are simply making the wrong assumption that by spending wads of loot to procure a #1 (or #2 or #3) slot automatically puts you in the winners circle surrounded by seventy-three virgins dressed in white popping iced champagne come seasons end...LOL!
Originally posted by SNAKE:
this is simply not the case ISHO as just like all other owner participants, ONE simple and single injury to one of your top three studs will quickly change all that and can very well leave you all ragged up with no place to go (high and dry on the WW with little or no loot (FAAB) left to spend)...again, let the market decide.
it is certainly NOT a flawless system by any means...everything about it is better than random draw or KD draw. let the market decide
Originally posted by SNAKE:
many on this MB are simply making the wrong assumption that by spending wads of loot to procure a #1 (or #2 or #3) slot automatically puts you in the winners circle surrounded by seventy-three virgins dressed in white popping iced champagne come seasons end...LOL!
Originally posted by SNAKE:
this is simply not the case ISHO as just like all other owner participants, ONE simple and single injury to one of your top three studs will quickly change all that and can very well leave you all ragged up with no place to go (high and dry on the WW with little or no loot (FAAB) left to spend)...again, let the market decide.
Is my "weekend warrior" prep better than your prep?
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14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Route C:
If GG agrees....we do the GekkoIII league this year using the above format. You and Tom follow the league ALL year from draft to championship and do a nice promotional piece using the league as an example. If you can get Josh involved then you'd have both NFFC champs, which makes for a nice read to newbies.
josh has been in the Gekko league both years. both NFFC champs have been in the gekko league for both years. [/QUOTE]You're right...sorry Josh!
quote:Originally posted by Route C:
If GG agrees....we do the GekkoIII league this year using the above format. You and Tom follow the league ALL year from draft to championship and do a nice promotional piece using the league as an example. If you can get Josh involved then you'd have both NFFC champs, which makes for a nice read to newbies.
josh has been in the Gekko league both years. both NFFC champs have been in the gekko league for both years. [/QUOTE]You're right...sorry Josh!
14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
didn't scroll through all 14 pages, so i'm not sure if this point has come up (sorry if it has), but i much prefer the 14 teamer because [1] it is "more difficult" for everyone, but particularly for the less studious and skillful and thus [2] it affords the prepared owner that much more advantage... i would say that whatever disparity usually lies between "better" owners and their lesser peers (in terms of study, skill, experience, preparation, etc) becomes even greater in a 14 team league... the format is significantly less forgiving
14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
Originally posted by Nag':
First or all, I'm not talking stricty about the draft but rather the overall skill and difficulty of winning a league - any league.
Thanks for hashing this out with me
I was talking about the draft ... but I can easily switch to your argument
Originally posted by Nag':
To me, there is a flaw in your general argument. If you believe that 14 team drafts/leagues are harder than 12 or 10 and therfore 10 & 12 teamers are easier than 14 Yes ... I agree with this
Originally posted by Nag':
Then logic dictates that you MUST believe that it is easier to win 12 & 10 teamers than it is 14. You must also believe that if you play in 14 team leagues, it will be easier for you to play and therefore succeed/win in 12 or 10 teamers.
I do NOT agree with this.
I would argue it strictly depends on your skill level compared to others in the league. If you are bad compared to others in the league ... it is easier to win a 10 team league than a 14 team league (because the draft itself is harder). If you are good compared to others ... it is easier to win a 14 team league ... because your ability difference will be more of a factor.
If you are average player your chances of winning will not be effected by the size of the league (other than 1/12 vs 1/14). Which is why when you say "If everyone has the same skill level 14 team drafts and 12 team drafts are equally hard or easy to win ... I couldn't agree with you more (but we are not all the same ability level ... are we).
Originally posted by Nag':
Do you think it is easier for you to succeed and win 12 & 10 team leagues because you play in 14 teamers?
No I do not. The two are independent events. If that logic held true ... I would enter a 32 team league ... then step down and easily take the 100,000 bucks for the tinny little 14 team leagues here
... but I have never heard anyone say that except you.
Do I think it's easier to win 12 team leagues than 14 team leagues?
The answer depends on how good I think I am compared to my compitition.
If I am a fantastic FF player compared to others ... I will find the 14 team league easier to win because it is harder and will effect others more. (most people fall into this category )
If I am crap compared to others ... I will find 10 team easier to win because it is ... easier and more luck based.
My point is: 14 team leagues are harder and more dependent on skill to win. Which is why it will draw the better players and is a better test of skill.
I am sure this is why you probably like a 12 team league over a 10 team league. You are probably an above average FF player and the 12 team league flushes some of the luck out of the event and allows you to gain more advantage over the guys you play (unless the 12 team league has better players to offset this advantage). This is even more so with a 14 team league IMO.
Originally posted by Nag':
Btw, I can't comment on 8 & 6 teamers since I never played but I think the logic would probably remain the same.
The logic would be the same to a point ... but thats fair enough (and honest as always), which is why I like to discuss things with you Nag (and most other guys out here too).
First or all, I'm not talking stricty about the draft but rather the overall skill and difficulty of winning a league - any league.
Thanks for hashing this out with me
I was talking about the draft ... but I can easily switch to your argument
Originally posted by Nag':
To me, there is a flaw in your general argument. If you believe that 14 team drafts/leagues are harder than 12 or 10 and therfore 10 & 12 teamers are easier than 14 Yes ... I agree with this
Originally posted by Nag':
Then logic dictates that you MUST believe that it is easier to win 12 & 10 teamers than it is 14. You must also believe that if you play in 14 team leagues, it will be easier for you to play and therefore succeed/win in 12 or 10 teamers.
I do NOT agree with this.
I would argue it strictly depends on your skill level compared to others in the league. If you are bad compared to others in the league ... it is easier to win a 10 team league than a 14 team league (because the draft itself is harder). If you are good compared to others ... it is easier to win a 14 team league ... because your ability difference will be more of a factor.
If you are average player your chances of winning will not be effected by the size of the league (other than 1/12 vs 1/14). Which is why when you say "If everyone has the same skill level 14 team drafts and 12 team drafts are equally hard or easy to win ... I couldn't agree with you more (but we are not all the same ability level ... are we).
Originally posted by Nag':
Do you think it is easier for you to succeed and win 12 & 10 team leagues because you play in 14 teamers?
No I do not. The two are independent events. If that logic held true ... I would enter a 32 team league ... then step down and easily take the 100,000 bucks for the tinny little 14 team leagues here
... but I have never heard anyone say that except you. Do I think it's easier to win 12 team leagues than 14 team leagues?
The answer depends on how good I think I am compared to my compitition.
If I am a fantastic FF player compared to others ... I will find the 14 team league easier to win because it is harder and will effect others more. (most people fall into this category
) If I am crap compared to others ... I will find 10 team easier to win because it is ... easier and more luck based.
My point is: 14 team leagues are harder and more dependent on skill to win. Which is why it will draw the better players and is a better test of skill.
I am sure this is why you probably like a 12 team league over a 10 team league. You are probably an above average FF player and the 12 team league flushes some of the luck out of the event and allows you to gain more advantage over the guys you play (unless the 12 team league has better players to offset this advantage). This is even more so with a 14 team league IMO.
Originally posted by Nag':
Btw, I can't comment on 8 & 6 teamers since I never played but I think the logic would probably remain the same.
The logic would be the same to a point ... but thats fair enough (and honest as always), which is why I like to discuss things with you Nag (and most other guys out here too).
Hakuna Matata!
14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
Originally posted by hammer:
didn't scroll through all 14 pages, so i'm not sure if this point has come up (sorry if it has), but i much prefer the 14 teamer because [1] it is "more difficult" for everyone, but particularly for the less studious and skillful and thus [2] it affords the prepared owner that much more advantage... i would say that whatever disparity usually lies between "better" owners and their lesser peers (in terms of study, skill, experience, preparation, etc) becomes even greater in a 14 team league... the format is significantly less forgiving What he said
didn't scroll through all 14 pages, so i'm not sure if this point has come up (sorry if it has), but i much prefer the 14 teamer because [1] it is "more difficult" for everyone, but particularly for the less studious and skillful and thus [2] it affords the prepared owner that much more advantage... i would say that whatever disparity usually lies between "better" owners and their lesser peers (in terms of study, skill, experience, preparation, etc) becomes even greater in a 14 team league... the format is significantly less forgiving What he said
Hakuna Matata!
14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
There would be zero advantage to a 14, 12 or 8 team league.
The chances of winning based on entries...sure...based on an even playing field...but that has nothing to do with the skill level of the drafter...just plain stats of winning based on league size...i.e. odds of winning 1 in 12...or 1 in 14. That has ZERO to do with quality of drafter or diffuculty of competition.
You assume that having a 12 team league...you have a better team post draft...but so do the other 11 teams...unless you wish to add in the "guppie-factor"...of which...the more teams in a league...the higher guppie factor...based on a blank % of guppies to go around.
The only advantage you are infering...is based on bad logic that there would somehow be more guppies in a 12 team league...thus making it easier to dominate???
We are not drawing straws...thus making the odds of winning 1 in 12 or 1 in 14...any other basis for stating a 14 team league is more difficult...or takes a superior drafter...is only based in poor logic implying poor competition.
~Lance Couldn't agree with this less!!! :rolleyes:
There would be zero advantage to a 14, 12 or 8 team league.
The chances of winning based on entries...sure...based on an even playing field...but that has nothing to do with the skill level of the drafter...just plain stats of winning based on league size...i.e. odds of winning 1 in 12...or 1 in 14. That has ZERO to do with quality of drafter or diffuculty of competition.
You assume that having a 12 team league...you have a better team post draft...but so do the other 11 teams...unless you wish to add in the "guppie-factor"...of which...the more teams in a league...the higher guppie factor...based on a blank % of guppies to go around.
The only advantage you are infering...is based on bad logic that there would somehow be more guppies in a 12 team league...thus making it easier to dominate???
We are not drawing straws...thus making the odds of winning 1 in 12 or 1 in 14...any other basis for stating a 14 team league is more difficult...or takes a superior drafter...is only based in poor logic implying poor competition.
~Lance Couldn't agree with this less!!! :rolleyes:
Hakuna Matata!
14 Team Leagues vs. 12 Team Leagues
Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
To be fair...
I love fantasy leagues with large amounts of teams...(I once played in a college fantasy football league with 20 teams)
I also feel the bigger the bench...the better. (I think I can evaluate talent better than my leaguemates...and have a big advantage if I can stockpile future studs.)
BUT...these advantages are only in my opinion...based on hoping I'm actually better than the league I'm in...but there is no fact or logic here...just hope and the assuming that I'm superior in these qualities.
~Lance When you are "Fair" you are also much smarter too . I agree with this ... I was suprised by the other post ... I knew you were smarter than that.
Please Lance don't go split personallity on us ... we have enough of that around here!
To be fair...
I love fantasy leagues with large amounts of teams...(I once played in a college fantasy football league with 20 teams)
I also feel the bigger the bench...the better. (I think I can evaluate talent better than my leaguemates...and have a big advantage if I can stockpile future studs.)
BUT...these advantages are only in my opinion...based on hoping I'm actually better than the league I'm in...but there is no fact or logic here...just hope and the assuming that I'm superior in these qualities.
~Lance When you are "Fair" you are also much smarter too
. I agree with this ... I was suprised by the other post ... I knew you were smarter than that.Please Lance don't go split personallity on us ... we have enough of that around here!
Hakuna Matata!