3RR/KDS, What Do You Think?

[Quahogs]

Originally posted by SNAKE:
...reading through this thread, 4D and Riff speak much sense here...they are essentially stating what SNAKE & GG have professed time and again pertaining to this matter at hand here...what really baffles SNAKE more than anything though is why settle for Roseanne Barr (KDS/3RR/Reverse Magic Turn Around Spin Dunk rounds 9-11, Reverse that Previous Order rounds 1-6 except round 4) when one can have Jennifer Lopez (BBDS using points) instead?...SNAKE because even Rosanne Barr (3RR) is better than a quick kick to the jimmies (current system)

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[King of Queens]

Also, if things change in 2008 and 2009, the early picks will just become LESS desirable. If that's your opinion, you can use KDS to help grab a different draft spot. Let someone else rank the early picks 1st or 2nd on their KDS lists -- I can guarantee that at least a few teams will do that every year no matter what the talent pool seems to dictate.

[Route Collectors]

I think this will also make some decisions at the front easier. This year at 3:3 I took Gates because it didn't make sense to let him fall. I really wanted Houshmandzadeh but 3:3 was way too high for him and would've made me seem idiotic if he busted so I stayed with Gates.

I don't like to draft ADP but in the first 3 rounds there's alot of pressure to NOT make a mistake so sometimes I'll admit I won't take my favorite pick. This will help cowards like me when I get a high draft slot.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by SNAKE:
...and THAT will be the last word from SNAKE pertaining to BBDS here...thanks...SNAKE I will hold you to that.

[RiFF]

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by RiFF:
I believe based on the current pool of talent a reversal in the 3rd round makes the most sense. So, for 2007 3RR would seem appropriate. But, for sake of discussion let's assume LT, LJ and Alexander all pulled a Tiki at year's end. Would 3RR still make sense? Or would picks in the later rounds now have a distinct advantage. I do not believe we will encounter this situation in 2007, but it could occur in 2008 or 2009 or in some later year. What happens then, switch to 5RR or go back to a straight serpentine draft. The problem I see with 3RR is that it MAY only be a short term solution and MAY have to be altered year to year to compensate for a changing environment. There will always be players that will be desired in the early part of the draft, but the huge differential that currently exists for the 1st couple of players may not exist in a couple years. I do not believe the Contest benefits with annual changes to its basic format. Any change is disruptive and if changes become routine it MAY hurt the long term viability of the Contest. If a change is made IT better be the right one.
Let me just say that I DON'T see this as a 1-year phenomenon and that 3RR would work for each past year and each year going forward. Why do I say that? Because having the first and second picks is obviously an advantage and then having 28-29 or 27-30 is another huge advantage for those teams. When you then go 1, 28, 42, it obviously levels the playing field for the back-end teams that now will go 14, 15, 29. EVERY year that will balance things out whether LT is LT or if he becomes Marshall Faulk of 2002.

It's interesting that some folks are asking if we're now giving TOO MUCH value to the back-end teams. Well, does anyone really believe that 19 of 32 of our top scoring teams next year will come from those last three draft spots? Right now that is the equation for the first three draft spots, so maybe we should look at some changes. This is one possible change.

It's a small change, but the third round is very key for all teams and at the very least the perception of teams that get later picks aren't so handcuffed anymore. They have that third round advantage now.

I believe it does hurt 4 and 5 slightly (6 moves 3 spots in the third round) and that deserves some consideration. But this is not a 1-year fix because of what happened this year. This is an idea that has merit for those of us who have played fantasy football for two decades and have seen the top picks in football benefit slightly. Maybe this is a solution. Maybe it's not. [/QUOTE]You have played FF far longer than I have so I will trust your assessment that there is ALWAYS an advantage to being in the first few draft slots.
The point I do disagree with is that reversing the 3rd round in a "small" change. I believe its much more significant and that based on the CURRENT pool of talent helps to level the playing field. My concern would be in years beyond 2007 and what this change may mean. If you can unequivoically state that it will ALWAYS have the same desired effect, than you are in the wrong business. And don't put words into my mouth, I didn't say we may be giving too much advantage to later picks, I said there is a possibilty this may occur in the future with this change.

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by SNAKE:
...and THAT will be the last word from SNAKE pertaining to BBDS here...thanks...SNAKE I will hold you to that. [/QUOTE]It depends on what the meaning of the word "here" is. If the--if he--if "here" means here and never has been, that is not here--that here is one thing. If it means there is not here, that was a completely true statement.

[Ted's Cracked Head]

Greg, do you have the data showing preferences for the kds this year. Of the 322 teams, how many selected 1-2-3 in the top of their choices? Some may have done this as they failed to set their choices so I might "throw out" the ones that listed 1-14 in that order. These numbers may speak volumes as to what selections were "coveted" leading into this season. This is important as it will likley show how "overwhelmingly valued" the top slots were leading into this season. That is important and part of the argument for BBDS as well. True or not, it may show that the perception by most will indicate that the system may in fact be "broken" and need fixing.

In hindsight, the KDS this year might have been the perfect segway into next years challenge with this twist applied.

Some of the purists (guilty as charged) want(ed) to see the "core" of these challenges stay the same, ie ... scoring - draft sequence - playoff format - because we naturally like to "reflect or compare" the teams from year to year. It is our nature and the root of fantasy sports. We analyze the previous years data, compare it and then interject our own twist to try and "best the rest".

Truth be told of all the sports, Fantasy Football has needed to adapt to the changes in the game it mirrors moreso than any other sport. The advent of the rules that "baby" QBS and WRs and especially the dreaded RBBC have changed this game for good.

The 3rr combined with the KDS is good for me in the main event next year. I prefer it over any of the other options previously presented on these boards.

You could always pull LT2, LJ and SA from the player pool BEFORE next years draft.

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by Ted's Cracked Head:
You could always pull LT2, LJ and SA from the player pool BEFORE next years draft. Footnote: this was originally Lance/sportsbettingman's suggestion, probably in a drunken stupor. It actually makes sense!

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by RiFF:
quote:You have played FF far longer than I have so I will trust your assessment that there is ALWAYS an advantage to being in the first few draft slots.
The point I do disagree with is that reversing the 3rd round in a "small" change. I believe its much more significant and that based on the CURRENT pool of talent helps to level the playing field. My concern would be in years beyond 2007 and what this change may mean. If you can unequivoically state that it will ALWAYS have the same desired effect, than you are in the wrong business. And don't put words into my mouth, I didn't say we may be giving too much advantage to later picks, I said there is a possibilty this may occur in the future with this change. [/QB][/QUOTE]Rich, I'm not saying that the top three always has the advantage, just that I believe the first three picks are usually the most desired. The combination of 3RR with KDS allows some people to choose other draft spots if they see that a certain section (let's say the back of the draft) has an advantage. Can you imagine a guy getting the No. 1 pick with his fourth preference for KDS? How crazy would that be?

This is a big change in the evolving world of fantasy football, no doubt, but no bigger than FAAB for free agents, a tenth-of a point for each yard gained or creating an event with a $1,250 entry fee. In time, it could grow on you!

Again, I haven't decided anything, I'm just looking for good arguments for and against 3RR/KDS.

[kjduke]

If 3RR balances out pre-draft preferences, it works. Period.

Balance would mean:
a) more people draft from where they want to, and
b) the perceived value of slots is in balance.

[ November 29, 2006, 12:03 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]