Has this been proposed before?

Coltsfan · Post by **Coltsfan** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:50 am

Originally posted by Renman:
That is the problem I have with DC leagues. You draft and then tune out. But that is the beauty of it! You get to do a lot more drafts!

There is a ton more luck to DC's than regular leagues but it allows you to draft a lot more teams and not have to manage all of them. I did over 30 drafts this year but there is no way I could manage that many teams.

Wayne

kentucky · Post by **kentucky** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:15 am

i could see a "hybrid" DC where you would set your lineup each week. that would mirror the "slow drafts" we do in the NFBC, where (for those that don't know) we draft 45 players, no FAAB, and set the lineups on Monday for the whole week.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:25 am

Originally posted by KyThunder:
i could see a "hybrid" DC where you would set your lineup each week. that would mirror the "slow drafts" we do in the NFBC, where (for those that don't know) we draft 45 players, no FAAB, and set the lineups on Monday for the whole week. This DC format in baseball has been very successful for us and we are even going to expand this concept next year. Yes, we allow 45 rounds of drafts via Slow Drafts and folks make no free agent pickups during the year but manage their rosters every week. Again, it still rewards the best drafters but the computer does NOT pick your optimal scoring lineup each week. You set your lineup.

This year in the NFBC, we are even going to host a National Slow Draft Championship, adding $25 from each entry at every different price point to the national contest and guaranteeing overall prizes. I think it will be a big hit in baseball and we are will host all of these on our own software, which will be live in early November.

My goal is to really be a leader in Slow Drafts for baseball and football and thus I'll gladly entertain similar thoughts for the NFFC. I'd have no problem unveiling the Slow Drafts in early spring or late winter and getting a national contest set up for the Slow Draft format. That would likely be for the optimal scoring lineup format.

A variance of the DC to allow for free agent pickups could be set up rather easily here as well if demand warrants it. But those would likely be satellite leagues to start out. Sure, anything is possible if demand warrants it.

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:30 am

Originally posted by Coltsfan:
quote:Originally posted by Renman:
That is the problem I have with DC leagues. You draft and then tune out. But that is the beauty of it! You get to do a lot more drafts!

There is a ton more luck to DC's than regular leagues but it allows you to draft a lot more teams and not have to manage all of them. I did over 30 drafts this year but there is no way I could manage that many teams.

Wayne [/QUOTE]Wow, Shame on you Wayne. A ton more luck than regular leagues? A conclusion based on what? I disagree. DC leagues are less luck based than regular leagues and I have sound arguments to prove my case.

I am surprised you would misguide players with unsupported statements of opinion and present this opinion as fact. Ouch

UYT

renman · Post by **renman** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:00 am

Wayne,

I could not agree with you more. I am not saying that makes DC leagues bad. I am not saying that those who have won or done well in DC leagues are not deserving of credit and applause because they are.

I see your point about just drafting the teams and checking the results each week. I see how that can allow you to have lots of teams. I do get that. Plus, we all LOVE THE DRAFT experience and DC leagues do allow you to do tons of drafts.

I 100% agree with you that this format brings more luck into the competition and thus respectfully disagree with ugly tomatoes. If one of your stud players gets hurt, you can't use waiver wire SKILL to manage your way around that injury. As I have said before. Traditional format fantasy leagues challenge you in 4 ways.

1 - accurately scouting and projecting players who produce well.

2 - securing these players in the draft and being able to change draft strategies on fly if need be.

3 - managing the team properly by playing the right matchups.

4 - managing the roster via the free agent wire.

DC leagues only challenge you with skills 1 and 2.

If your stud player gets hurt you can't do a thing about it. Some of your late draft fliers only have value if the right players ahead of them on the depth chart also get hurt (massive luck involved in this).

Having said all of this. Wayne, you have me thinking. Maybe I should try out some DC leagues that I can just draft and ignore and just check weekly results next year. You have me thinking about it! I do love the draft experience and like most fantasy football players, feel I am pretty good at it.

Your enthusiasm in that post got me thinking!

[ October 19, 2010, 03:11 PM: Message edited by: Renman ]

BLACKHAND · Post by **BLACKHAND** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:37 am

Originally posted by KyThunder:
i could see a "hybrid" DC where you would set your lineup each week. that would mirror the "slow drafts" we do in the NFBC, where (for those that don't know) we draft 45 players, no FAAB, and set the lineups on Monday for the whole week. the " THUNDER " DC starting next year. im in.

Coltsfan · Post by **Coltsfan** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:38 am

Mike,

I probably shouldn't have made that statement without explaining what I meant so here goes.

1. The main element of luck in DC's comes from the optimized scoring. My expample is say you have New England and the Jets and week 1 they put up 27 and 26 but week 2 they put up 1 and 0. You end up with 28 points for those 2 weeks. But if They mix it up and the 27 is week 1 and the 26 points is week 2 then you have 53 points scored - A HUGE difference. So the luck basically comes in from the ham and eggs in the scoring.

2. No injury pick ups. I remember a DC I was in a few years ago when my starting qB's were Losman, Grossman, McNair (I'll never forget that trio!) We basically finished second without a starting QB much of the season. If we could have picked up anybody we could have won. We did go into the league with 3 starting QB's but injuries killed us. The rest of the team was solid.

I love the DC format and you are definitely the master of the DC's but I also have to agree with Renman's post. The DC doesn't use the entire skill set that a regular league does. So after saying all of this, it DOES take a lot of skill to win a DC and put together a team that competes but in my opinion that is a greater level of luck here than a regular league. Bot and I are second overall but all it takes is one injury to a key player and we're done. That wouldn't be the case in a regular draft.

Wayne

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:42 am

Seriously, Renman

This is an example of you following someone around the message board and posting your same sorry argument right behind them (me). You have already posted this same basic post behind my post before.

You already proved your ignorance to me in this matter ... I don't need a refresher course ... trust me on this. I'm not saying your stupid ... you just missed the boat on this one ... I GOT IT!

[ October 19, 2010, 03:45 PM: Message edited by: Unintelligent Ugly Yellow Tomatoes ]

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:44 am

Originally posted by Coltsfan:
Mike,

I probably shouldn't have made that statement without explaining what I meant so here goes.

1. The main element of luck in DC's comes from the optimized scoring. My expample is say you have New England and the Jets and week 1 they put up 27 and 26 but week 2 they put up 1 and 0. You end up with 28 points for those 2 weeks. But if They mix it up and the 27 is week 1 and the 26 points is week 2 then you have 53 points scored - A HUGE difference. So the luck basically comes in from the ham and eggs in the scoring.

2. No injury pick ups. I remember a DC I was in a few years ago when my starting qB's were Losman, Grossman, McNair (I'll never forget that trio!) We basically finished second without a starting QB much of the season. If we could have picked up anybody we could have won. We did go into the league with 3 starting QB's but injuries killed us. The rest of the team was solid.

I love the DC format and you are definitely the master of the DC's but I also have to agree with Renman's post. The DC doesn't use the entire skill set that a regular league does. So after saying all of this, it DOES take a lot of skill to win a DC and put together a team that competes but in my opinion that is a greater level of luck here than a regular league. Bot and I are second overall but all it takes is one injury to a key player and we're done. That wouldn't be the case in a regular draft.

Wayne Wayne ... I think I can convince you the opposite is true ... but not on the message board. I'll post you in private.

bald is beautiful · Post by **bald is beautiful** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:47 am

Originally posted by Unintelligent Ugly Yellow Tomatoes:
Seriously, Renman

This is an example of you following someone around the message board and posting your same sorry argument right behind them (me). You have already posted this same basic post behind my post before.

You already proved your ignorance to me in this matter ... I don't need a refresher course ... trust me on this. I'm not saying your stupid ... you just missed the boat on this one ... I GOT IT! Oh boy, here we go.....

Expecting a Renman response and repeats of the same point over and over and over in 3....2....1....