Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
quote:Originally posted by TR:
The Broncos are winning more because of Von Miller than Tim Tebow...Von Miller is a rookie playing at defensive player of year level...tebow not even close to offensive MVP. Miller's been terrific without a doubt. Quick question - how was Denver's defense with Miller doing when Orton was the starting quarterback? [/QUOTE]Ooh ooh! Can I play? How many NFL games of experience did Miller have during Orton's games vs. Tebow's? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by CoMoHusker:
Tom, how can you say that all their good fortune stems directly to Tebow? I'm not saying it all does. Obviously there have been a number of factors. But there is no question in my mind the entire team is playing better with Tebow. The record bears that out. There is a high level of confidence on display in every phase of the game and the Broncos own players (including some vets like Bailey and Dawkins) point directly at Tebow as a key reason why.
Is Tebow the only reason why the Broncos have improved? Of course not. But there's clearly been an improvement on display since he became the starter. I don't think it's a reach to say the entire team is feeding off Tebow. That's what great players do. They make everyone around them better. I think Tebow has done that.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying Tebow is a great player. It's far too soon to say that. However, he is doing something great players do - making everyone around him better.
[ December 15, 2011, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Tom Kessenich ]
Tom, how can you say that all their good fortune stems directly to Tebow? I'm not saying it all does. Obviously there have been a number of factors. But there is no question in my mind the entire team is playing better with Tebow. The record bears that out. There is a high level of confidence on display in every phase of the game and the Broncos own players (including some vets like Bailey and Dawkins) point directly at Tebow as a key reason why.
Is Tebow the only reason why the Broncos have improved? Of course not. But there's clearly been an improvement on display since he became the starter. I don't think it's a reach to say the entire team is feeding off Tebow. That's what great players do. They make everyone around them better. I think Tebow has done that.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying Tebow is a great player. It's far too soon to say that. However, he is doing something great players do - making everyone around him better.
[ December 15, 2011, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Tom Kessenich ]
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Originally posted by renman:
Tom,
I get your point. The truth is people are going to nitpick Tebow because Tebow gets tons of publicity. What these people forget is that Tebow is not a self promoter. He is not begging for attention or publicity like some athletes in the past have. Some fans and media resent those who get the spotlight shined on them and begin the nitpicking. Pure speculation! Now you're a mind reader? :rolleyes: It's crap like this that fuels the "Skeptics" (and I do like that better than "Haters" seeing most of us are on record that we have nothing personal against him).
If you think our skepticism is because he gets attention, then you're not really paying attention. Why does there have to be some ulterior motive? Most of you who know me know that I'm a numbers guy. This whole thing is just another math exercise to me.
So please stop making ridiculous assumptions. No one should think this is some crazy jealousy thing. Man, what are we, in junior high school where we all wish we're as popular as some total stranger? :rolleyes:
[ December 15, 2011, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: Sandman62 ]
Tom,
I get your point. The truth is people are going to nitpick Tebow because Tebow gets tons of publicity. What these people forget is that Tebow is not a self promoter. He is not begging for attention or publicity like some athletes in the past have. Some fans and media resent those who get the spotlight shined on them and begin the nitpicking. Pure speculation! Now you're a mind reader? :rolleyes: It's crap like this that fuels the "Skeptics" (and I do like that better than "Haters" seeing most of us are on record that we have nothing personal against him).
If you think our skepticism is because he gets attention, then you're not really paying attention. Why does there have to be some ulterior motive? Most of you who know me know that I'm a numbers guy. This whole thing is just another math exercise to me.
So please stop making ridiculous assumptions. No one should think this is some crazy jealousy thing. Man, what are we, in junior high school where we all wish we're as popular as some total stranger? :rolleyes:
[ December 15, 2011, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: Sandman62 ]
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Originally posted by Sandman62:
quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
... Again, there isn't a single fantasy owner who should care how his player produces as long as he produces. Simple question: you're at your draft next year and in some early-mid round you're ready to pick your QB1. There are two QBs you've narrowed it down to and you project them for the same number of points for the season. In 2011, one of them had a high floor and low ceiling, the other a lower floor but higher ceiling. Also one of them scored half his points in the last 5 minutes of almost every game and faced a host of down-trodden teams who still buried him for 55+ minutes before going into over-conservative prevent mode; the other scored throughout his games.
Which one would you draft? (and by "you", I don't mean just Tom; anyone) [/QUOTE]Hmmm... I thought this was a simple question.
I'm not sure, given the above, how anyone would even have two such players projected the same, but assume someone does. You're gonna draft the guy who makes you wonder every game if he'll pull off another late-game miracle to salvage his fantasy day? Really??? 
quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
... Again, there isn't a single fantasy owner who should care how his player produces as long as he produces. Simple question: you're at your draft next year and in some early-mid round you're ready to pick your QB1. There are two QBs you've narrowed it down to and you project them for the same number of points for the season. In 2011, one of them had a high floor and low ceiling, the other a lower floor but higher ceiling. Also one of them scored half his points in the last 5 minutes of almost every game and faced a host of down-trodden teams who still buried him for 55+ minutes before going into over-conservative prevent mode; the other scored throughout his games.
Which one would you draft? (and by "you", I don't mean just Tom; anyone) [/QUOTE]Hmmm... I thought this was a simple question.
I'm not sure, given the above, how anyone would even have two such players projected the same, but assume someone does. You're gonna draft the guy who makes you wonder every game if he'll pull off another late-game miracle to salvage his fantasy day? Really??? Tim Tebow - Let's Talk
Originally posted by Sandman62:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
Tom,
I get your point. The truth is people are going to nitpick Tebow because Tebow gets tons of publicity. What these people forget is that Tebow is not a self promoter. He is not begging for attention or publicity like some athletes in the past have. Some fans and media resent those who get the spotlight shined on them and begin the nitpicking. Pure speculation! Now you're a mind reader? :rolleyes: It's crap like this that fuels the "Skeptics" (and I do like that better than "Haters" seeing most of us are on record that we have nothing personal against him).
If you think our skepticism is because he gets attention, then you're not really paying attention. Why does there have to be some ulterior motive? Most of you who know me know that I'm a numbers guy. This whole thing is just another math exercise to me.
So please stop making ridiculous assumptions. No one should think this is some crazy jealousy thing. Man, what are we, in junior high school where we all wish we're as popular as some total stranger? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]Sandman,
Outline for me the NFL players who you have personally debated about as much as Tebow in the last month. Have you and the rest of the world aggressively scrutinized Gabbert, Ponder and Dalton?
Tebow is a lightening rod for debate and discussion because Tebow gets a TON of attention from the media and none of it is driven by his own self promotion. That is a fact.
What exactly in my quote is "pure speculation?"
quote:Originally posted by renman:
Tom,
I get your point. The truth is people are going to nitpick Tebow because Tebow gets tons of publicity. What these people forget is that Tebow is not a self promoter. He is not begging for attention or publicity like some athletes in the past have. Some fans and media resent those who get the spotlight shined on them and begin the nitpicking. Pure speculation! Now you're a mind reader? :rolleyes: It's crap like this that fuels the "Skeptics" (and I do like that better than "Haters" seeing most of us are on record that we have nothing personal against him).
If you think our skepticism is because he gets attention, then you're not really paying attention. Why does there have to be some ulterior motive? Most of you who know me know that I'm a numbers guy. This whole thing is just another math exercise to me.
So please stop making ridiculous assumptions. No one should think this is some crazy jealousy thing. Man, what are we, in junior high school where we all wish we're as popular as some total stranger? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]Sandman,
Outline for me the NFL players who you have personally debated about as much as Tebow in the last month. Have you and the rest of the world aggressively scrutinized Gabbert, Ponder and Dalton?
Tebow is a lightening rod for debate and discussion because Tebow gets a TON of attention from the media and none of it is driven by his own self promotion. That is a fact.
What exactly in my quote is "pure speculation?"
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With so much talk of Tebow's receivers dropping so many passes, I tried to find a source with that stat. I'm not sure when this was last updated though, but their receiving yards are up-to-date, so I think we can assume they're current on this stat too?
Source: http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/lead ... L&rank=232
Maybe Tom has STATS access and can verify these stats for us?
In the meantime, this is what I found:
Rank Player Team Stats
1t Greg Little Cle 12
1t Roddy White Atl 12
3 Brandon Marshall Mia 11
4 Dwayne Bowe KC 10
5 DeSean Jackson Phi 9
6t Dallas Clark Ind 8
6t Jermichael Finley GB 8
8t Anquan Boldin Bal 7
8t Nate Burleson Det 7
8t Victor Cruz NYG 7
8t Jerome Simpson Cin 7
8t Steve Smith Car 7
8t Benjamin Watson Cle 7
14t Arrelious Benn TB 6
14t Davone Bess Mia 6
14t Michael Crabtree SF 6
14t Brandon Gibson StL 6
14t Montario Hardesty Cle 6
14t Jason Hill Jac 6
14t Julio Jones Atl 6
14t Ray Rice Bal 6
14t Dane Sanzenbacher Chi 6
14t Mike Williams TB 6
Maybe looking at the AFC and NFC separately will get us a bit deeper?
AFC
Rank Player Team Stats
1 Greg Little Cle 12
2 Brandon Marshall Mia 11
3 Dwayne Bowe KC 10
4 Dallas Clark Ind 8
5t Anquan Boldin Bal 7
5t Jerome Simpson Cin 7
5t Benjamin Watson Cle 7
8t Davone Bess Mia 6
8t Montario Hardesty Cle 6
8t Jason Hill Jac 6
8t Ray Rice Bal 6
12t Jonathan Baldwin KC 5
12t Antonio Brown Pit 5
12t Jermaine Gresham Cin 5
12t Dexter McCluster KC 5
12t Heath Miller Pit 5
12t Eddie Royal Den 5
12t Torrey Smith Bal 5
12t Demaryius Thomas Den 5
12t LaDainian Tomlinson NYJ 5
12t Mike Wallace Pit 5
12t Damian Williams Ten 5
Denver has two WRs in this list, for a combined 10 drops. Maybe Decker and some others dropped a few too (but less than 5 each). But CLE, MIA, KC, BAL, PIT and maybe even CIN seem to have a worse case of the dropsies.
In the NFC, ATL, PHI, DET, NYG, CAR, CHI and TB all seem to have it worse than DEN too.
NFC
Rank Player Team Stats
1 Roddy White Atl 12
2 DeSean Jackson Phi 9
3 Jermichael Finley GB 8
4t Nate Burleson Det 7
4t Victor Cruz NYG 7
4t Steve Smith Car 7
7t Arrelious Benn TB 6
7t Michael Crabtree SF 6
7t Brandon Gibson StL 6
7t Julio Jones Atl 6
7t Dane Sanzenbacher Chi 6
7t Mike Williams TB 6
13t Jake Ballard NYG 5
13t Brent Celek Phi 5
13t Fred Davis Was 5
13t Vernon Davis SF 5
13t Early Doucet Ari 5
13t Jimmy Graham NO 5
13t Devin Hester Chi 5
13t Calvin Johnson Det 5
13t Laurent Robinson Dal 5
13t Jonathan Stewart Car 5
13t Roy Williams Chi 5
Source: http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/lead ... L&rank=232
Maybe Tom has STATS access and can verify these stats for us?
In the meantime, this is what I found:
Rank Player Team Stats
1t Greg Little Cle 12
1t Roddy White Atl 12
3 Brandon Marshall Mia 11
4 Dwayne Bowe KC 10
5 DeSean Jackson Phi 9
6t Dallas Clark Ind 8
6t Jermichael Finley GB 8
8t Anquan Boldin Bal 7
8t Nate Burleson Det 7
8t Victor Cruz NYG 7
8t Jerome Simpson Cin 7
8t Steve Smith Car 7
8t Benjamin Watson Cle 7
14t Arrelious Benn TB 6
14t Davone Bess Mia 6
14t Michael Crabtree SF 6
14t Brandon Gibson StL 6
14t Montario Hardesty Cle 6
14t Jason Hill Jac 6
14t Julio Jones Atl 6
14t Ray Rice Bal 6
14t Dane Sanzenbacher Chi 6
14t Mike Williams TB 6
Maybe looking at the AFC and NFC separately will get us a bit deeper?
AFC
Rank Player Team Stats
1 Greg Little Cle 12
2 Brandon Marshall Mia 11
3 Dwayne Bowe KC 10
4 Dallas Clark Ind 8
5t Anquan Boldin Bal 7
5t Jerome Simpson Cin 7
5t Benjamin Watson Cle 7
8t Davone Bess Mia 6
8t Montario Hardesty Cle 6
8t Jason Hill Jac 6
8t Ray Rice Bal 6
12t Jonathan Baldwin KC 5
12t Antonio Brown Pit 5
12t Jermaine Gresham Cin 5
12t Dexter McCluster KC 5
12t Heath Miller Pit 5
12t Eddie Royal Den 5
12t Torrey Smith Bal 5
12t Demaryius Thomas Den 5
12t LaDainian Tomlinson NYJ 5
12t Mike Wallace Pit 5
12t Damian Williams Ten 5
Denver has two WRs in this list, for a combined 10 drops. Maybe Decker and some others dropped a few too (but less than 5 each). But CLE, MIA, KC, BAL, PIT and maybe even CIN seem to have a worse case of the dropsies.
In the NFC, ATL, PHI, DET, NYG, CAR, CHI and TB all seem to have it worse than DEN too.
NFC
Rank Player Team Stats
1 Roddy White Atl 12
2 DeSean Jackson Phi 9
3 Jermichael Finley GB 8
4t Nate Burleson Det 7
4t Victor Cruz NYG 7
4t Steve Smith Car 7
7t Arrelious Benn TB 6
7t Michael Crabtree SF 6
7t Brandon Gibson StL 6
7t Julio Jones Atl 6
7t Dane Sanzenbacher Chi 6
7t Mike Williams TB 6
13t Jake Ballard NYG 5
13t Brent Celek Phi 5
13t Fred Davis Was 5
13t Vernon Davis SF 5
13t Early Doucet Ari 5
13t Jimmy Graham NO 5
13t Devin Hester Chi 5
13t Calvin Johnson Det 5
13t Laurent Robinson Dal 5
13t Jonathan Stewart Car 5
13t Roy Williams Chi 5
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Originally posted by renman:
quote:Originally posted by Sandman62:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
Tom,
I get your point. The truth is people are going to nitpick Tebow because Tebow gets tons of publicity. What these people forget is that Tebow is not a self promoter. He is not begging for attention or publicity like some athletes in the past have. Some fans and media resent those who get the spotlight shined on them and begin the nitpicking. Pure speculation! Now you're a mind reader? :rolleyes: It's crap like this that fuels the "Skeptics" (and I do like that better than "Haters" seeing most of us are on record that we have nothing personal against him).
If you think our skepticism is because he gets attention, then you're not really paying attention. Why does there have to be some ulterior motive? Most of you who know me know that I'm a numbers guy. This whole thing is just another math exercise to me.
So please stop making ridiculous assumptions. No one should think this is some crazy jealousy thing. Man, what are we, in junior high school where we all wish we're as popular as some total stranger? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]Sandman,
Outline for me the NFL players who you have personally debated about as much as Tebow in the last month. Have you and the rest of the world aggressively scrutinized Gabbert, Ponder and Dalton?
Tebow is a lightening rod for debate and discussion because Tebow gets a TON of attention from the media and none of it is driven by his own self promotion. That is a fact.
What exactly in my quote is "pure speculation?" [/QUOTE]Good question. How come Dalton isn't talked about as much as Tebow?
After a win, it's about how great Tebow is and everyone seems to be blinded by the stinker of a game he played for three quarters, yet he's the reason that they win in the end. I haven't seen too many posts (other than from the skeptics) giving the Denver D props for keeping the Broncos in the game to even make those miracle comebacks possible.
Maybe we should start a thread about Dalton and after each win, talk about how he is the reason for the Bengals success this year? We can start the thread with Dalton!!!
[ December 15, 2011, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: CoMoHusker ]
quote:Originally posted by Sandman62:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
Tom,
I get your point. The truth is people are going to nitpick Tebow because Tebow gets tons of publicity. What these people forget is that Tebow is not a self promoter. He is not begging for attention or publicity like some athletes in the past have. Some fans and media resent those who get the spotlight shined on them and begin the nitpicking. Pure speculation! Now you're a mind reader? :rolleyes: It's crap like this that fuels the "Skeptics" (and I do like that better than "Haters" seeing most of us are on record that we have nothing personal against him).
If you think our skepticism is because he gets attention, then you're not really paying attention. Why does there have to be some ulterior motive? Most of you who know me know that I'm a numbers guy. This whole thing is just another math exercise to me.
So please stop making ridiculous assumptions. No one should think this is some crazy jealousy thing. Man, what are we, in junior high school where we all wish we're as popular as some total stranger? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]Sandman,
Outline for me the NFL players who you have personally debated about as much as Tebow in the last month. Have you and the rest of the world aggressively scrutinized Gabbert, Ponder and Dalton?
Tebow is a lightening rod for debate and discussion because Tebow gets a TON of attention from the media and none of it is driven by his own self promotion. That is a fact.
What exactly in my quote is "pure speculation?" [/QUOTE]Good question. How come Dalton isn't talked about as much as Tebow?
After a win, it's about how great Tebow is and everyone seems to be blinded by the stinker of a game he played for three quarters, yet he's the reason that they win in the end. I haven't seen too many posts (other than from the skeptics) giving the Denver D props for keeping the Broncos in the game to even make those miracle comebacks possible.
Maybe we should start a thread about Dalton and after each win, talk about how he is the reason for the Bengals success this year? We can start the thread with Dalton!!!
[ December 15, 2011, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: CoMoHusker ]
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Tim Tebow - Let's Talk
Originally posted by renman:
quote:Originally posted by Sandman62:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
Tom,
I get your point. The truth is people are going to nitpick Tebow because Tebow gets tons of publicity. What these people forget is that Tebow is not a self promoter. He is not begging for attention or publicity like some athletes in the past have. Some fans and media resent those who get the spotlight shined on them and begin the nitpicking. Pure speculation! Now you're a mind reader? :rolleyes: It's crap like this that fuels the "Skeptics" (and I do like that better than "Haters" seeing most of us are on record that we have nothing personal against him).
If you think our skepticism is because he gets attention, then you're not really paying attention. Why does there have to be some ulterior motive? Most of you who know me know that I'm a numbers guy. This whole thing is just another math exercise to me.
So please stop making ridiculous assumptions. No one should think this is some crazy jealousy thing. Man, what are we, in junior high school where we all wish we're as popular as some total stranger? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]Sandman,
Outline for me the NFL players who you have personally debated about as much as Tebow in the last month. Have you and the rest of the world aggressively scrutinized Gabbert, Ponder and Dalton?
Tebow is a lightening rod for debate and discussion because Tebow gets a TON of attention from the media and none of it is driven by his own self promotion. That is a fact.
What exactly in my quote is "pure speculation?" [/QUOTE]Really? You need me to point it out?
Ok... That we "forget ...that Tebow is not a self promoter". Who said that? HOW could we forget? He's on tv every single day!
And "Some fans and media resent those who get the spotlight shined on them and begin the nitpicking". On this, you may be right - for SOME. To me, I could care less about his media attention. The media shines the spotlight on him because it generates NFL interest; they don't speak nearly as much of him as a fantasy QB. THAT'S all I care about. For me, this whole debate is about whether or not he's a legit NFFC QB1.
In the end, you either agree or disagree with the arguments made. What the heck does anyone's motives (real or fictitious) have to do with it? Some of us have provided data and stats and comparisons. We've outlined our concerns over how and when he does the bulk of his scoring. On all these points, you can either agree or disagree. Yeah, some of us may not shy away from a good debate, but motive is completely irrelevant to the points themselves. Do you see us surmising WHY Tebow's loyal followers seemingly can't wait to come out here and tell us "I told you so" every week? No. Who cares?
Try to stay focused on the data and points presented and leave the psychiatry to the pros please?
[ December 15, 2011, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: Sandman62 ]
quote:Originally posted by Sandman62:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
Tom,
I get your point. The truth is people are going to nitpick Tebow because Tebow gets tons of publicity. What these people forget is that Tebow is not a self promoter. He is not begging for attention or publicity like some athletes in the past have. Some fans and media resent those who get the spotlight shined on them and begin the nitpicking. Pure speculation! Now you're a mind reader? :rolleyes: It's crap like this that fuels the "Skeptics" (and I do like that better than "Haters" seeing most of us are on record that we have nothing personal against him).
If you think our skepticism is because he gets attention, then you're not really paying attention. Why does there have to be some ulterior motive? Most of you who know me know that I'm a numbers guy. This whole thing is just another math exercise to me.
So please stop making ridiculous assumptions. No one should think this is some crazy jealousy thing. Man, what are we, in junior high school where we all wish we're as popular as some total stranger? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]Sandman,
Outline for me the NFL players who you have personally debated about as much as Tebow in the last month. Have you and the rest of the world aggressively scrutinized Gabbert, Ponder and Dalton?
Tebow is a lightening rod for debate and discussion because Tebow gets a TON of attention from the media and none of it is driven by his own self promotion. That is a fact.
What exactly in my quote is "pure speculation?" [/QUOTE]Really? You need me to point it out?
Ok... That we "forget ...that Tebow is not a self promoter". Who said that? HOW could we forget? He's on tv every single day!
And "Some fans and media resent those who get the spotlight shined on them and begin the nitpicking". On this, you may be right - for SOME. To me, I could care less about his media attention. The media shines the spotlight on him because it generates NFL interest; they don't speak nearly as much of him as a fantasy QB. THAT'S all I care about. For me, this whole debate is about whether or not he's a legit NFFC QB1.
In the end, you either agree or disagree with the arguments made. What the heck does anyone's motives (real or fictitious) have to do with it? Some of us have provided data and stats and comparisons. We've outlined our concerns over how and when he does the bulk of his scoring. On all these points, you can either agree or disagree. Yeah, some of us may not shy away from a good debate, but motive is completely irrelevant to the points themselves. Do you see us surmising WHY Tebow's loyal followers seemingly can't wait to come out here and tell us "I told you so" every week? No. Who cares?
Try to stay focused on the data and points presented and leave the psychiatry to the pros please?
[ December 15, 2011, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: Sandman62 ]
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Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
quote:Originally posted by TR:
The Broncos are winning more because of Von Miller than Tim Tebow...Von Miller is a rookie playing at defensive player of year level...tebow not even close to offensive MVP. Miller's been terrific without a doubt. Quick question - how was Denver's defense with Miller doing when Orton was the starting quarterback? [/QUOTE]Not so good, but they were without Champ Bailey and Elvis Dumervil for a few of those games. During the win streak, Von Miller and that defense have had much bigger impact than tebow...yet I'm seeing posts saying tebow is the reason they are winning...don't bet against tebow...etc.
quote:Originally posted by TR:
The Broncos are winning more because of Von Miller than Tim Tebow...Von Miller is a rookie playing at defensive player of year level...tebow not even close to offensive MVP. Miller's been terrific without a doubt. Quick question - how was Denver's defense with Miller doing when Orton was the starting quarterback? [/QUOTE]Not so good, but they were without Champ Bailey and Elvis Dumervil for a few of those games. During the win streak, Von Miller and that defense have had much bigger impact than tebow...yet I'm seeing posts saying tebow is the reason they are winning...don't bet against tebow...etc.
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Gabbert puts up a first half that even makes Tebow's usual first half stats look good. 3/6 for 21 yards. That probably won't get it done. But, I'm sure Tebow would find a way to overcome that...all by himself.
Go Big Red!