Rules Proposals For 2008

[ultimatefs]

Originally posted by ultimatefantasyfootballcheatsheets:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
One thing I'd like to see changed is the schedule.

Leave Week 1 as 1 vs 2, 3 vs 4, etc...

But mix up the rest of the weeks each year and don't allow anyone to see the schedule until drafts are posted. I'm against this. In "real" football, teams know their schedule prior to drafting.

I know why you want to do this, but I want to know what the schedule looks like prior to setting my KDS preferences. That should be a part of the strategy.

Taking this information away is taking away part of the strategy of the game IMO.

I would definitely keep all leagues with the same schedule, regardless. This way the #13 draft slot in all leagues plays the same schedule and so on. [/QUOTE]When do "real" teams draft?

Strategy should not include avoiding consensus top picks. How many crutches does a team need? That one extra win in a h2h league could yield big dollars and that should be ELIMINATED.

Win the league with your skill, not some fluky ass schedule manipulation.

All leagues should have the same schedule. That's not the issue.

[kjduke]

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
People aren't going to like dominating a season for 13 weeks, only to slump, have a poor 3 week showing, run into a "monster", etc. and end up with less than their investment ($1,000).
How is this different from the auction lges? At least it takes a 3-week slump to get knocked. In the auction a 1-week slump, or worse yet an unlucky playoff schedule will knock you out. Also, I believe 3rd place is breakeven.

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
I realize we want to make this like "real football", but unless we can give some teams a bye (i.e drop their lowest week) AND some sort of point advantage (i.e home field), this shouldn't be handled like "real football".

Like John says, if it is too complicated people won't want to play. Nothing complicated about three teams into a 3-week playoff.

[ December 27, 2007, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

[kjduke]

Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by ultimatefantasyfootballcheatsheets:
Question, does Greg put all of these suggestions onto a ballot and email them to this year's participants for a vote? To me, that seems fair. Maybe with a minimum # of yes' to make the change?! I hope not.... the inmates should never run the asylum.

There is no way any of us have the same vision for the contest they do. [/QUOTE]Ditto - this is not a democracy, it's a business.

[ultimatefs]

Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Waz - no, see above, leader after 13 weeks doesn't mean squat, it's just a ticket to the playoffs, same as real football. Don't like that AT ALL KJ.

People aren't going to like dominating a season for 13 weeks, only to slump, have a poor 3 week showing, run into a "monster", etc. and end up with less than their investment ($1,000).

I realize we want to make this like "real football", but unless we can give some teams a bye (i.e drop their lowest week) AND some sort of point advantage (i.e home field), this shouldn't be handled like "real football".

Like John says, if it is too complicated people won't want to play. [/QUOTE]Nothing complicated about three teams into a 3-week playoff. All of the WCOFF satellites were top 4 points into the playoffs, then H2H matchups the final 2 weeks - everyone starts on even ground and this is even more luck based because you're dealing again with schedule luck even in the playoff. A 3-wk, 3-team playoff would be much better at determing the best teams. Also, I believe 3rd place is breakeven. [/QUOTE]I don't like it at all.

If one team wins all three and then runs into some fluky Wk 14-16 bad luck, there are going to be some very irritated owners that would not come back.

Right now, the winner of h2h and pts is an auto $5k and no playoff. I like that a lot.

I like the 2-team playoff for the $2500.

None of this should change.

A 3rd team in playoff only if they outscored h2h champ.

Simple, easy to understand, and just as fair, if not more than all play for #3.

[kjduke]

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Waz - no, see above, leader after 13 weeks doesn't mean squat, it's just a ticket to the playoffs, same as real football. Don't like that AT ALL KJ.

People aren't going to like dominating a season for 13 weeks, only to slump, have a poor 3 week showing, run into a "monster", etc. and end up with less than their investment ($1,000).

[/QUOTE]Waz, what about the people that start the season with a 3-week slump then go off from weeks 13-16? Shouldn't a slump at the end be more detrimental than a slump in the beginning?

[kjduke]

Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Waz - no, see above, leader after 13 weeks doesn't mean squat, it's just a ticket to the playoffs, same as real football. Don't like that AT ALL KJ.

People aren't going to like dominating a season for 13 weeks, only to slump, have a poor 3 week showing, run into a "monster", etc. and end up with less than their investment ($1,000).

I realize we want to make this like "real football", but unless we can give some teams a bye (i.e drop their lowest week) AND some sort of point advantage (i.e home field), this shouldn't be handled like "real football".

Like John says, if it is too complicated people won't want to play. [/QUOTE]Nothing complicated about three teams into a 3-week playoff. All of the WCOFF satellites were top 4 points into the playoffs, then H2H matchups the final 2 weeks - everyone starts on even ground and this is even more luck based because you're dealing again with schedule luck even in the playoff. A 3-wk, 3-team playoff would be much better at determing the best teams. Also, I believe 3rd place is breakeven. [/QUOTE]I don't like it at all.

If one team wins all three and then runs into some fluky Wk 14-16 bad luck, there are going to be some very irritated owners that would not come back.

Right now, the winner of h2h and pts is an auto $5k and no playoff. I like that a lot.

I like the 2-team playoff for the $2500.

None of this should change.

A 3rd team in playoff only if they outscored h2h champ.

Simple, easy to understand, and just as fair, if not more than all play for #3. [/QUOTE]John, fantasy football championships are won in the playoffs. Does anyone not know this? Is someone loses with a dominating team, of course they're pissed off, but they'll be back next season because FF has ALWAYS been about winning in the playoffs.

Crowning someone after 13 weeks makes no sense. If the Patriots go 16-0, do we call off the Super Bowl? :rolleyes:

All 3 playoff teams are guaranteed breakeven, and if they stink up the playoffs they should be happy to breakeven.

[ December 27, 2007, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

[kjduke]

Originally posted by JohnZ:
Right now, the winner of h2h and pts is an auto $5k and no playoff. I like that a lot.
Not really John. The winner of H2H and Pts after 13 weeks is guaranteed $5k. The winner of H2H and Pts after 16 weeks is guaranteed NOTHING!

Does everyone REALLY draft trying to win the first 13 weeks, or are we trying to win over 16 weeks - see my point?

Conceivably, the team that scores the most points in the entire NFFC contest over 16 weeks could end up with nothing. What is fair about that?

[nostradamross]

if you say more than one players name you receive the first player you named.

[Captain Hook]

While I like Kevin's idea of the three teams qualifying for the Championship Bracket, I am not sure that that or any change in league payouts/structure should be looked at as a necessary change unless Greg & Tom feel strongly about it.

John and Kevin are correct - it IS a business and changing the rules significantly EVERY year (even if we - a minority, vocal, but still a fraction of the entrants think it's a good idea) is likely NOT to grow the size of the competition.

That said, I will say that if you have the three criteria of
H2H winner
Total Points leader
All Play leader
with the same prize structure we have now you could offer them $1500 each - and then have a league playoff for $3000 between the three teams.
IF a team wins two of the three, they get $3000 and plays the one other team for another $3000
If A team wins all three - they deserve the $7500 and there would be no league playoff - they WERE the Champion of that league - but you could still have the next team in each category qualify to the Championship Bracket.

[pizzatyme]

Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by ultimatefantasyfootballcheatsheets:
Question, does Greg put all of these suggestions onto a ballot and email them to this year's participants for a vote? To me, that seems fair. Maybe with a minimum # of yes' to make the change?! I hope not.... the inmates should never run the asylum.

There is no way any of us have the same vision for the contest they do. [/QUOTE]Ditto - this is not a democracy, it's a business. [/QUOTE]So, let me get this straight. Greg asks for suggestions for rules changes and there are about 20 MB posters in here giving them. Then Greg and Tom will consider these and make a business decision.

Versus, the same 20 posters presenting suggestions which 400+ customers can consider and give feedback on for Greg and Tom to consider.

Maybe my question was slanted towards the customers deciding versus the business deciding, which it should be the latter. However, it seems to make good business sense to listen to 400+ versus 20+?