Rules Proposals For 2008

kjduke · Post by **kjduke** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:02 pm

Originally posted by ultimatefantasyfootballcheatsheets:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by ultimatefantasyfootballcheatsheets:
Question, does Greg put all of these suggestions onto a ballot and email them to this year's participants for a vote? To me, that seems fair. Maybe with a minimum # of yes' to make the change?! I hope not.... the inmates should never run the asylum.

There is no way any of us have the same vision for the contest they do. [/QUOTE]Ditto - this is not a democracy, it's a business. [/QUOTE]So, let me get this straight. Greg asks for suggestions for rules changes and there are about 20 MB posters in here giving them. Then Greg and Tom will consider these and make a business decision.

Versus, the same 20 posters presenting suggestions which 400+ customers can consider and give feedback on for Greg and Tom to consider.

Maybe my question was slanted towards the customers deciding versus the business deciding, which it should be the latter. However, it seems to make good business sense to listen to 400+ versus 20+?

[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with soliciting feedback, but suggesting a "vote" is another matter.

There also is something to be said for listening to/catering to opinion leaders, as opposed to taking the temperature of an entire population (ref: marketing 301).

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:33 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Waz - no, see above, leader after 13 weeks doesn't mean squat, it's just a ticket to the playoffs, same as real football. Don't like that AT ALL KJ.

People aren't going to like dominating a season for 13 weeks, only to slump, have a poor 3 week showing, run into a "monster", etc. and end up with less than their investment ($1,000).

I realize we want to make this like "real football", but unless we can give some teams a bye (i.e drop their lowest week) AND some sort of point advantage (i.e home field), this shouldn't be handled like "real football".

Like John says, if it is too complicated people won't want to play. [/QUOTE]Nothing complicated about three teams into a 3-week playoff. All of the WCOFF satellites were top 4 points into the playoffs, then H2H matchups the final 2 weeks - everyone starts on even ground and this is even more luck based because you're dealing again with schedule luck even in the playoff. A 3-wk, 3-team playoff would be much better at determing the best teams. Also, I believe 3rd place is breakeven. [/QUOTE]I don't like it at all.

If one team wins all three and then runs into some fluky Wk 14-16 bad luck, there are going to be some very irritated owners that would not come back.

Right now, the winner of h2h and pts is an auto $5k and no playoff. I like that a lot.

I like the 2-team playoff for the $2500.

None of this should change.

A 3rd team in playoff only if they outscored h2h champ.

Simple, easy to understand, and just as fair, if not more than all play for #3. [/QUOTE]John, fantasy football championships are won in the playoffs. Does anyone not know this? Is someone loses with a dominating team, of course they're pissed off, but they'll be back next season because FF has ALWAYS been about winning in the playoffs.

Crowning someone after 13 weeks makes no sense. If the Patriots go 16-0, do we call off the Super Bowl? :rolleyes:

All 3 playoff teams are guaranteed breakeven, and if they stink up the playoffs they should be happy to breakeven. [/QUOTE]Baseball doesn't have a playoff system, but they have a postseason in "real baseball".

Why even have H2H and just run it like baseball?

Total Points for the entire 16 week season.

The point is you don't HAVE TO replicate it exactly. I think you would have a VERY difficult time finding even 20% of the people in the NFFC to agree with your concept.

I realize it is your opinion KJ and I respect that, but I don't think this is a good idea.

[ December 27, 2007, 07:36 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:39 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Waz - no, see above, leader after 13 weeks doesn't mean squat, it's just a ticket to the playoffs, same as real football. Don't like that AT ALL KJ.

People aren't going to like dominating a season for 13 weeks, only to slump, have a poor 3 week showing, run into a "monster", etc. and end up with less than their investment ($1,000).

[/QUOTE]Waz, what about the people that start the season with a 3-week slump then go off from weeks 13-16? Shouldn't a slump at the end be more detrimental than a slump in the beginning? [/QUOTE]How many 0-3 teams in the NFL make the playoffs each year??? Answer..... NOT MANY.

Besides, at least in the NFFC, they CAN win something.... in the consolation round (whose prizes are MORE than generous IMO).

kjduke · Post by **kjduke** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:43 pm

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
Why even have H2H and just run it like baseball?

Total Points for the entire 16 week season.

The point is you don't HAVE TO replicate it exactly. I think you would have a VERY difficult time finding even 20% of the people in the NFFC to agree with your concept.

I realize it is your opinion KJ and I respect that, but I don't think this is a good idea. Waz, I've thrown out different ideas here, which one specifically don't you agree with?

Btw, I'm confident I could get a majority to agree that what I've suggested is better than what we have now because it is more consistent and more fair assuming two things: (1) the contest is meant to reward the team that performs best during the regular season AND the playoffs; and (2) like it or not, this is and always has been a H2H league (and that is unlikely to ever change under G Ambrosius).

[ December 27, 2007, 08:00 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

kjduke · Post by **kjduke** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:47 pm

Waz, which is the more deserving team in your opinion?

Assume three teams make the league playoffs:
a) team with most points from weeks 1-13
b) team with most points from weeks 1-16
c) team with most points from weeks 13-16

If your answer ia "a", then why do we have a 16-week season?

If your answer is "b", then why not dump the playoff system entirely?

[ December 27, 2007, 07:55 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

kjduke · Post by **kjduke** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:06 pm

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
How many 0-3 teams in the NFL make the playoffs each year??? Answer..... NOT MANY.

You still can win the Super Bowl after an 0-3 start. Better question, how many teams that can't win a playoff game are crowned Super Bowl Champion?

[ December 27, 2007, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:35 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

If your answer is "b", then why not dump the playoff system entirely? I would have no problem doing it like this, but that means no H2H, and I highly doubt you convince Mr. A & Mr. K to do this.

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:44 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
How many 0-3 teams in the NFL make the playoffs each year??? Answer..... NOT MANY.

You still can win the Super Bowl after an 0-3 start. [/QUOTE]Who has achieved this in the NFL? I might have missed that one.

Point is ANYTHING is possible, but it doesn't mean that we should reward inconsistency (3 weeks) over consistency (13 weeks). For the overall prize, a race to the finish is fine, but for individual leagues, there has to be some reward BEFORE the playoffs.

Again, fantasy football is NOT the NFL. When our QB, RB, etc. goes down in the first quarter, we cannot gameplan, plug in a new player, etc. By thinking we should be more like the NFL, I guess TOPDOGG should have got a "bye" for any poor week he had???

I think Greg and Tom made great strides to change "who gets the cash" this year (in individual leagues), and there is no reason to totally dismantle it IMO.

[ December 27, 2007, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:06 pm

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
How many 0-3 teams in the NFL make the playoffs each year??? Answer..... NOT MANY.

You still can win the Super Bowl after an 0-3 start. [/QUOTE]Who has achieved this in the NFL? I might have missed that one.

[/QUOTE]Never been done.

The worst record to start a season and then win a Super Bowl would be the Patriots in 2001. They started 0-2, and then 1-3, but eventually made and won the big game.

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:10 pm

Originally posted by JohnZ:
One thing I'd like to see changed is the schedule.

Leave Week 1 as 1 vs 2, 3 vs 4, etc...

But mix up the rest of the weeks each year and don't allow anyone to see the schedule until drafts are posted. Why? If H2H is going to determine so much it's a good point of strategy in setting your KDS if you can accurately predict the top 9 players.