Live Scoring

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:36 am

I did not put that change in the rules, Nathan. I assume STATS added that to clarify this without talking with me. I certainly want to clarify this point and see if it's possible to distinguish special teams fumbles and offensive plays fumbles. Gordon is correct in stating that currently our rules state fumbles lost are -1 for rushing, receiving and passing, but not on special teams. I am trying to hook up with STATS before making a final ruling on this.

So please don't anyone speak on behalf of the NFFC's part on this as I am trying to make a correct ruling on this play that counts not only for Week 1 but going forward. We must interpret our current rules correctly and then implement them.

I hope to have this done as soon as I can hook up with STATS, which has been tough today.

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:36 am

In reading the other posts, it looks like this has to be a "non-event" based on how the rules were written.

"ALL special teams..." means that the individual can't lose or gain any points.

"special" teams rules don't provide for that play.

It simply is a play that can't be scored. Write it in for next year.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:41 am

John, I agree with your point. Going over the rules as we have them, Branch shouldn't have a point taken off. But we also don't have anything in the scoring rules for a point lost for a lost fumble on a special teams play. I need to finalize with STATS, but reading the rules through as we have them, this is a non-play under our scoring rules.

I certainly read our rules wrong initially and will work with STATS to see if we can clarify this ruling. Hang tight. It's important that we get this right according to the rules everyone is using.

nnoy · Post by **nnoy** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:41 am

In my opinion the parameters of the league’s scoring system are quite clear, and they are posted on each league's website.

Obviously the parameters are in place so scoring can be automated. Otherwise every game would have to be hand scored on a play-by-play bases which we all agree is ludicrous. An automated system cannot decipher if a fumble lost occurs on a special teams play, therefore all fumbles lost are –1, plain and simple and a rule that is implemented without any bias.

Additionally the NE D had an event occur that falls outside of these parameters (the lost fumble on special teams.) Since this is not included in the parameters it is treated as a non-event by the system, also seems quite fair.

[ September 10, 2004, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: nnoy ]

nnoy · Post by **nnoy** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:45 am

Good luck with all this, seems a little messy but I’m sure you will establish a fair rule.

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:46 am

I think all the arguments have been clearly stated and understood.

At this point I await Greg's decision which I know will be made in the best interests of the event.

LOL.. I hope you get paid enough to deal with all of us crazies, Greg.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:50 am

Trust me, JP, I don't get paid enough. But it sure beats shoveling sand at the foundry, a 1978 summer job I once had that convinced me to do something I like. Dealing with you zombies wasn't what I had in mind, but I still like the career choice.

Now back to the decision.......

nnoy · Post by **nnoy** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:50 am

No chance he gets paid enough to deal with this kind of BS. At least this happened in week 1 game 1 and not somewhere down the round with the outcome of a game definitely hanging in the balance.

Also thank God we have an unbiased person to implement rules. Imagine if this were a league where the person with the decision making authority had a vested interest in how the rule was applied. (I’m sure we’ve all dealt with that mess at one time or another.)

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:08 am

Originally posted by nnoy:
An automated system cannot decipher if a fumble lost occurs on a special teams play, therefore all fumbles lost are –1, plain and simple and a rule that is implemented without any bias.

This is simply not true. Stats can and has always been able to decifer any stat at any time when asked to do so.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:11 am

Okay, some clarifications. Nathan, the -1 ST rule you stated wasn't within the NFFC rules. That's just a standard STATS scoring link that was seen by you. STATS will take that out, but that was basically for their commissioner product. Not the NFFC. Let's at least clarify that.