***ALERT: Random Draft Slot Facts

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:00 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
One thing I would add to this is that one of the reasons we upped the scoring for TD passes to 6 points was to try to increase the importance of QBs and possibly stem the RB frenzy that grips hold of nearly every fantasy football draft. it probably helps a lot less than you think. it's only a relative increase. sorry.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:20 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
it probably helps a lot less than you think. it's only a relative increase. sorry. Perhaps. Perhaps not. I think what Culpepper and Manning (and to a somewhat lesser extent McNabb) are showing this season -- especially in the NFFC -- is that they are considerably more valuable than a second-tier RB. That is especially true when you consider how much depth there was at the RB position this season. If ever there was a season to look away from RB with an early-round pick this was the season to do so.

In my opinon.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:32 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
Perhaps. Perhaps not. I think what Culpepper and Manning (and to a somewhat lesser extent McNabb) are showing this season -- especially in the NFFC -- is that they are considerably more valuable than a second-tier RB. That is especially true when you consider how much depth there was at the RB position this season. If ever there was a season to look away from RB with an early-round pick this was the season to do so.you might have a point here if CPep or Manning throw for 40 td's. but given "historic and reasonable" projections, i'd still much rather have a Brady, Pennington, or Carr in the 6th round or later, than waste a #1 pick on CPep or Manning.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:32 am

Given the depth at RB this season and the consistent ability to locate productive WRs in the middle rounds and off the Waiver Wire every season, I think the appeal of a stud QB has risen considerably this season. And in a league like the NFFC where you get 6 points/TD pass, drafting one can pay off rather nicely.

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:36 am

There are only 2 QBs worth looking at in the early rounds..Dante and Peyton. After that they are all almost equal. I got Plummer in the 10th, ranked #4 right now and he put my 6th round pick, Trent Green, on the bench.

Come on Tom, you know that QB scoring only matters when compared to other QBs. Comparing QBs to RBs is irrelevant except if you have a position where you choose to start a QB or a RB. We don't have such a position.

The RB frenzy won't end as long as the roster requirement is for more RBs than are actually in existence. One injured Tuna (no disrespect to Parcells) and a dozen sharks = frenzy.

[ November 03, 2004, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: JerseyPaul ]

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:57 am

Right now, I'd agree Culpepper and Manning are the only QBs worthy of being selected in one of the first two rounds although McNabb could join them before it's all said and done. But my point is that neither guy likely went in the first round of many drafts and maybe not even early in the second. And based on what they've shown -- especially in the NFFC -- you can make a very strong argument that they should have gone there instead of guys like Taylor, Barlow, Henry, Rudi and maybe even Dillon (who is having a good year).

Plummer's ranking is heavily inflated by last week's game. I'm willing to bet that barring injury he won't finish as the fourth-ranked QB when the season is over. I have him in one of my Expert Leagues as my backup to Bulger and the only week I've started him was this past week because Bulger was on a bye. Good timing, that's for sure.

I don't think comparing QBs to other RBs is irrelevent. The bottom line is assembling the best team you can. I don't care how you go about doing it. Although as I've said I'm a strong advocate of the RB-RB strategy, if I knew I could get a stud QB in the first round and then get two good RBs and a strong WR in the next three rounds, I'll strongly consider that and I like my chances to win - especially this season when there was so much RB value to be found after the second round. Whether there is that much depth next season remains to be seen, but as I said if you were picking at the end of the first round, this was a great year to not go RB-RB with your first two picks given all of the talent that could be found at RB in the third and fourth rounds.

[ November 03, 2004, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: Tom Kessenich ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:31 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
Right now, I'd agree Culpepper and Manning are the only QBs worthy of being selected in one of the first two rounds. But my point is that neither guy likely went in the first round of many drafts and maybe not even early in the second. your last statement is simply not true. here are their NFFC avg draft slots:
Daunte Culpepper (QB, Min) 15.75
Peyton Manning (QB, Ind) 19.75

If you take those two guys away from the lower-end teams, the draft slot debate heavily favors my claim. what's gonna happen to the avg draft slot of the top 50 teams next year when both CPep and Manning both go in the top 8 in EVERY NFFC draft. you know which way i'm leaning.

[ November 03, 2004, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:32 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
but as I said if you were picking at the end of the first round, this was a great year to not go RB-RB with your first two picks given all of the talent that could be found at RB in the third and fourth rounds. Ummm...who?

here are the RBs taken at my 3rd pick and later (3.12)

3.13 Charlie Garner
4.3 Tyrone Wheatley
4.9 Michael Bennett
4.10 Steven Jackson
5.1 Duckett
5.11 Ron Dayne
5.12 Moe Williams

Who are these neat late picks? If you are referring to players promoted due to injury like Droughns, M. Moore, Stecker, etc., forget about it, nobody could predict those and those that drafted them did so as they ran down their "pray for injury to starters" list. Only Emmitt Smith was a late round pick with useful numbers. One guy.

Prior to my 3rd round pick (#40), only 12 non-RBs were taken. TWENTY-SEVEN RBs taken before my 3rd round pick.

Sure, great year if you wanted to end up with Tyrone Wheatley and Moe Williams.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:37 am

In various drafts I saw -- and took part in -- RBs such as Curtis Martin, Tiki Barber, Warrick Dunn, Kevin Jones, Lee Suggs and William Green all went in the third round or later. It's safe to say Emmitt and Eddie George (who has been decent in many leagues) went after the third round. Also, upside RBs such as DeShaun Foster (who did hit big for a couple of games), Onterrio Smith, McGahee and Steven Jackson all went after the third round. Again, I'm talking about a large number of drafts I saw and participated in not just the NFFC.

The depth at RB was fantastic this season in my opinion.

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:48 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
In various drafts I saw -- and took part in -- RBs such as Curtis Martin, Tiki Barber, Warrick Dunn, Kevin Jones, Lee Suggs and William Green all went in the third round or later. It's safe to say Emmitt and Eddie George (who has been decent in many leagues) went after the third round. Also, upside RBs such as DeShaun Foster (who did hit big for a couple of games), Onterrio Smith, McGahee and Steven Jackson all went after the third round. Again, I'm talking about a large number of drafts I saw and participated in not just the NFFC.

The depth at RB was fantastic this season in my opinion. 12 team leagues, perhaps?

Curtis Martin 2.12, Tiki Barber 3.7, Warrick Dunn 3.11, and Lee Suggs 2.14 all were gone by 3.11.

Eddie is averaging 8.6 points per game...useless
Foster...no factor
William Green 8 ppg
Kevin Jones 6.9 ppg
McGahee not useful until week 8 (4.8, -0.3, 0, 0, 4.9, 15.7, 6.4) if you started him after the draft, you're done.
Steven Jackson averaging 5.8 points per game.

So much for the fantastic depth. If you played in my league in the NFFC and had slot 12, 13 or 14 and didn't go RB/RB, you didn't get a RB out of the draft (except for Emmitt).

[ November 03, 2004, 04:08 PM: Message edited by: JerseyPaul ]