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Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:50 am

Billy, that's exactly why I didn't set it up that way initially. I felt there would be an outcry with the bye week matchups if that was the first tie-breaker for $5,000. I felt total points was the next best indicator of who had the best team.

Having the league championship matchup over three weeks for $2,500 if there is a tie between h2h and total points has some merit. It also has some drawbacks, but it's worth considering for 2006.

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:17 am

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
[/qb]In the 13 weeks we go against each other, 8 of the 13 have bye weeks. If team A in Week 8 has th following players (E.James, C.Martin, R.Wayne, M.Vick) then he is in A LOT of trouble for this week. Is it fair that because he loses this week to team B (who for the sake of argument had NO ONE on a bye) that he be penalized? Absolutely not!!!

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Excellent point Billy! Nice work.

I personally like it the way it is. I hate the fact that I could smoke you for 13 weeks in a row but lose to you in a 3 week playoff.

It happened to Team New last year in the overall and now we're talking about bringing into league play. I'm not buying this one. If you want to keep a runnig tab of total point through week 16 to award 1st place league prize money that's a different story, but don't penalize a guy for having a great year just to keep the dream alive for someone else by basically starting over.
Bad idea IMO.

That being said - this change would really benefit me this year and I still don't like it.
If I can't catch the team in first on my own, then I don't deserve 1st place money.

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:28 am

Here's another thought. how can anyone be in favor of removing as much randomness as possible through BBDS and like this 3 week H2H playoff idea.

Answer this: Is it a random event for your team to beat mine 2 out of 3 weeks?
What if my team just beat yours 3 weeks in a row in weeks 11-13 (no byes)?
What if my team also beat yours in weeks 1 and 2 (again - no byes)
That means I'm a fat 6-2 against you H2H on non-bye weeks but you get to take home the cash because your wins came in weeks 14-16. This is supposed to prove that you have the better team?

Someone/anyone please show me how this is fair and not a prime example of randomness.

Thank you

"THE ROUTE COLLECTOR UNIVERSITY"

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:54 am

Originally posted by Route C:
I personally like it the way it is. I hate the fact that I could smoke you for 13 weeks in a row but lose to you in a 3 week playoff.in a single league, how can team A "SMOKE" team B if Team A has the best H2H record BUT Team B has the most points? there's no smoking going on unless you have the wacky weed

Originally posted by Route C:
Here's another thought. how can anyone be in favor of removing as much randomness as possible through BBDS and like this 3 week H2H playoff idea.
easily. i'm in favor of BBDS as it's much better than the current draft selection process.

i'm also in favor of a three week league playoff (if the same team doesn't have the best record AND most points). the current process of giving away the 5K to the team with ONLY the best record is wrong, inefficient, and needs to be changed IMO. H2H scheduling is the biggest random bunch of crap in fantasy football. some team gets lucky and only has to face teams that average 110 points every week. another team (through no fault of their own) faces teams that average 140 points every week. that's why we need a league playoff

[ October 26, 2005, 12:55 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:12 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Route C:
I personally like it the way it is. I hate the fact that I could smoke you for 13 weeks in a row but lose to you in a 3 week playoff.in a single league, how can team A "SMOKE" team B if Team A has the best H2H record BUT Team B has the most points? there's no smoking going on unless you have the wacky weed

Originally posted by Route C:
Here's another thought. how can anyone be in favor of removing as much randomness as possible through BBDS and like this 3 week H2H playoff idea.
easily. i'm in favor of BBDS as it's much better than the current draft selection process.

i'm also in favor of a three week league playoff (if the same team doesn't have the best record AND most points). the current process of giving away the 5K to the team with ONLY the best record is wrong, inefficient, and needs to be changed IMO. H2H scheduling is the biggest random bunch of crap in fantasy football. some team gets lucky and only has to face teams that average 110 points every week. another team (through no fault of their own) faces teams that average 140 points every week. that's why we need a league playoff

[/QUOTE]It appears we are talking about 2 different things. My post is in reference to the scenerio mentioned where 2 or more teams finish with the same record. I am in favor of total points deciding the outcome rather than a random 3 week playoff where it still comes down to one team beating the other 2 out of 3.

These are still sub-par answers to the ultimate fair game (all play) IMHO.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:21 am

Originally posted by Route C:
These are still sub-par answers to the ultimate fair game (all play) IMHO. please clarify...what is the ultimate fair game (all play) QUESTION?

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:39 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Route C:
These are still sub-par answers to the ultimate fair game (all play) IMHO. please clarify...what is the ultimate fair game (all play) QUESTION? [/QUOTE]All play format. Already shot down long ago.

Ted's Cracked Head · Post by **Ted's Cracked Head** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:19 am

Maybe the BCS can perfect a system for Fantasy Football?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:33 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Billy, that's exactly why I didn't set it up that way initially. I felt there would be an outcry with the bye week matchups if that was the first tie-breaker for $5,000. I felt total points was the next best indicator of who had the best team.

Having the league championship matchup over three weeks for $2,500 if there is a tie between h2h and total points has some merit. It also has some drawbacks, but it's worth considering for 2006. We play for $100,000 in a H2H (H40H?

) format. The scoring average that teams take into the playoffs is far less significant than how those teams perform in Weeks 14 to 16. If we're going to use this system for the REALLY big bucks, it would make sense to use it for the $5,000 -- again, only if necessary to determine a "split" decision.

3INTBOY · Post by **3INTBOY** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:50 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Billy, that's exactly why I didn't set it up that way initially. I felt there would be an outcry with the bye week matchups if that was the first tie-breaker for $5,000. I felt total points was the next best indicator of who had the best team.

Having the league championship matchup over three weeks for $2,500 if there is a tie between h2h and total points has some merit. It also has some drawbacks, but it's worth considering for 2006. Then you should award first place to the team w/ the most points.

And, more important to the argument I am making. If a team drafts players w/ comon bye weeks. That is the risk they have chosen.

A great example is Blue Falcons, whom I play this week have Edge,C-Mart and Lav. Coles on bye.
IF I am to win this week I SHOULD NOT be penalized later because they decided at the draft to select those three important players.

Everyone is at the same bye week disadvantage. But if they chose to draft into an additional bye week problem. That is the risk. It can be used against you to determine the League Champion.

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