Originally posted by Diesel:
So a beat down is out of the question? Yes, but a beat off is still under consideration.
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Originally posted by UFS:
The idea has merit, but a contest like this really can't allow it.
It would take a bit of work, and what ever criteria is used, many will have issues with it. A lose-lose.
Greg really can't get involved with the lineups with a $100k prize. There's just too many scenarios where this could go south in a hurry.
The only solution is to ban someone from future play. John....I would think someone of your intelligence wouldn't be so quick to close the discussion. Seriously, I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ but I think the guys idea deserves more than a 4 or 5 sentence response...then...game over go home. You did say the idea has merit which alot of us agree on. Maybe you can help us find some pros to this and let Greg speak for himself on the cons.
The idea has merit, but a contest like this really can't allow it.
It would take a bit of work, and what ever criteria is used, many will have issues with it. A lose-lose.
Greg really can't get involved with the lineups with a $100k prize. There's just too many scenarios where this could go south in a hurry.
The only solution is to ban someone from future play. John....I would think someone of your intelligence wouldn't be so quick to close the discussion. Seriously, I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ but I think the guys idea deserves more than a 4 or 5 sentence response...then...game over go home. You did say the idea has merit which alot of us agree on. Maybe you can help us find some pros to this and let Greg speak for himself on the cons.
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Originally posted by Tamuscarecrow:
This one has merit, GG, if you play a team who is trying the first 6 weeks and lose to that team only to have that team quit after going 1-5 with the teams in front of you in the standings still to play. Integrity of the game gets lost with the "dead money" teams. I think it is a good idea with Diesel's stipulations of replacing bye week or IR players. I think it is a bad idea to put up $1250 for a team you are going to quit on instead of donating the money to a good charity, like me.
TAMU, one of the teams Shrink is referring to DIDN'T even show for the draft. I believe his lineup was changed, once maybe twice throughout the entire season. Some teams played him when a ton of his players were on byes and then some of us had to play against the team after changes were made. This was unfair to all of the owners in Chicago #5.
I think it is a great idea, but I wonder if STATS would even be able to set this up. They seem to currently have enough glitches in their software, would imagine this would add to them. But if it could be done, correctly, sounds good to me.
We had another team quit around week 9. They played an intregal role in our league champ. During week 13, if this team of quitters beat the H2H leader, it opened up chances for 5 of us to have a chance at cashing out. If they lost, the 3 money winners were already decided. Many of us e-mailed them to have them submit a decent lineup. They had many players who were hurt and on IR in their lineup. Did they respond and make a change, of course not. If it wasn't for Chambers explosion of 40+ pts, they would have lost, but this miracle happened giving the 5 of us a chance to win some money. I know if Black & Asian are in Chicago again this year, I will be sure to talk to them about quitting and potentially costing others a chance at some hard earned loot.
For any IT people, how hard would it be to set up this type of software to work correctly?
This one has merit, GG, if you play a team who is trying the first 6 weeks and lose to that team only to have that team quit after going 1-5 with the teams in front of you in the standings still to play. Integrity of the game gets lost with the "dead money" teams. I think it is a good idea with Diesel's stipulations of replacing bye week or IR players. I think it is a bad idea to put up $1250 for a team you are going to quit on instead of donating the money to a good charity, like me.
TAMU, one of the teams Shrink is referring to DIDN'T even show for the draft. I believe his lineup was changed, once maybe twice throughout the entire season. Some teams played him when a ton of his players were on byes and then some of us had to play against the team after changes were made. This was unfair to all of the owners in Chicago #5. I think it is a great idea, but I wonder if STATS would even be able to set this up. They seem to currently have enough glitches in their software, would imagine this would add to them. But if it could be done, correctly, sounds good to me.
We had another team quit around week 9. They played an intregal role in our league champ. During week 13, if this team of quitters beat the H2H leader, it opened up chances for 5 of us to have a chance at cashing out. If they lost, the 3 money winners were already decided. Many of us e-mailed them to have them submit a decent lineup. They had many players who were hurt and on IR in their lineup. Did they respond and make a change, of course not. If it wasn't for Chambers explosion of 40+ pts, they would have lost, but this miracle happened giving the 5 of us a chance to win some money. I know if Black & Asian are in Chicago again this year, I will be sure to talk to them about quitting and potentially costing others a chance at some hard earned loot.
For any IT people, how hard would it be to set up this type of software to work correctly?
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Where we are playing in a format where h2h gets alot of cash....I think this is a great idea with alot of pro's.....I don't know of any cons to this idea.It betters everything in every way....How can there be any cons to a fair playing ground....I for one are all about total points....Again great idea.....
I did bring this up to greg about the dead beats screwing people.....And he told me the best thing to do is post all there names on the message board.But to me that doesn't really put the cash i lost in my pocket.I lost $600 dollars do to dead beats this year.....The funnie thing is the guy who killed me the most In the nf basketball league was right here in my home town.....Eddie you know who im talking about..........
Johnny
I did bring this up to greg about the dead beats screwing people.....And he told me the best thing to do is post all there names on the message board.But to me that doesn't really put the cash i lost in my pocket.I lost $600 dollars do to dead beats this year.....The funnie thing is the guy who killed me the most In the nf basketball league was right here in my home town.....Eddie you know who im talking about..........
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Originally posted by RI WORKHORSE:
I did bring this up to greg about the dead beats screwing people.....And he told me the best thing to do is post all there names on the message board.If they don't have enough integrity to field a lineup each and every week, regardless of their standings, I highly doubt posting their names on the MB's would do anything at all. Especially when players like this probably aren't perusing the MB's.
RI, the satellite we were in together last year, the one Eddie won, I e-mailed the owners in the bottom of the standings to ensure they wouldn't quit.....some of the responses I received was "I know when I am out of it and don't want to waste my time!" Little do they know, they could still help decide the league champ. If they pick up a valuable FA making the player unavailable to the leaders, this greatly affects the outcome of the league. I know in the couple of leagues I have played where I was out of the running, my main goal was to try to make it difficult for the leaders to win.
My guess is anyone who quits, they never played real sports, and if they did, they obviously were a benchwarmer. Truly competitive people play regardless of their position in the standings.
I would guess even in some of the satellites coming up, with the so called top notch players, many will quit as their positioning in the standings gets lower and lower. Probably will never be able to fully correct this problem.
I did bring this up to greg about the dead beats screwing people.....And he told me the best thing to do is post all there names on the message board.If they don't have enough integrity to field a lineup each and every week, regardless of their standings, I highly doubt posting their names on the MB's would do anything at all. Especially when players like this probably aren't perusing the MB's.
RI, the satellite we were in together last year, the one Eddie won, I e-mailed the owners in the bottom of the standings to ensure they wouldn't quit.....some of the responses I received was "I know when I am out of it and don't want to waste my time!" Little do they know, they could still help decide the league champ. If they pick up a valuable FA making the player unavailable to the leaders, this greatly affects the outcome of the league. I know in the couple of leagues I have played where I was out of the running, my main goal was to try to make it difficult for the leaders to win.
My guess is anyone who quits, they never played real sports, and if they did, they obviously were a benchwarmer. Truly competitive people play regardless of their position in the standings.
I would guess even in some of the satellites coming up, with the so called top notch players, many will quit as their positioning in the standings gets lower and lower. Probably will never be able to fully correct this problem.
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Originally posted by GOD Loves You:
quote:Originally posted by RI WORKHORSE:
I did bring this up to greg about the dead beats screwing people.....And he told me the best thing to do is post all there names on the message board.If they don't have enough integrity to field a lineup each and every week, regardless of their standings, I highly doubt posting their names on the MB's would do anything at all. Especially when players like this probably aren't perusing the MB's.
RI, the satellite we were in together last year, the one Eddie won, I e-mailed the owners in the bottom of the standings to ensure they wouldn't quit.....some of the responses I received was "I know when I am out of it and don't want to waste my time!" Little do they know, they could still help decide the league champ. If they pick up a valuable FA making the player unavailable to the leaders, this greatly affects the outcome of the league. I know in the couple of leagues I have played where I was out of the running, my main goal was to try to make it difficult for the leaders to win.
My guess is anyone who quits, they never played real sports, and if they did, they obviously were a benchwarmer. Truly competitive people play regardless of their position in the standings.
I would guess even in some of the satellites coming up, with the so called top notch players, many will quit as their positioning in the standings gets lower and lower. Probably will never be able to fully correct this problem. [/QUOTE]Right on.....Well this could be the way to fix all that.....We will have to wait to see what Tom and greg think about this and what they can do.At least we are talking about something constructive instead of smack talking.....
Johnny
quote:Originally posted by RI WORKHORSE:
I did bring this up to greg about the dead beats screwing people.....And he told me the best thing to do is post all there names on the message board.If they don't have enough integrity to field a lineup each and every week, regardless of their standings, I highly doubt posting their names on the MB's would do anything at all. Especially when players like this probably aren't perusing the MB's.
RI, the satellite we were in together last year, the one Eddie won, I e-mailed the owners in the bottom of the standings to ensure they wouldn't quit.....some of the responses I received was "I know when I am out of it and don't want to waste my time!" Little do they know, they could still help decide the league champ. If they pick up a valuable FA making the player unavailable to the leaders, this greatly affects the outcome of the league. I know in the couple of leagues I have played where I was out of the running, my main goal was to try to make it difficult for the leaders to win.
My guess is anyone who quits, they never played real sports, and if they did, they obviously were a benchwarmer. Truly competitive people play regardless of their position in the standings.
I would guess even in some of the satellites coming up, with the so called top notch players, many will quit as their positioning in the standings gets lower and lower. Probably will never be able to fully correct this problem. [/QUOTE]Right on.....Well this could be the way to fix all that.....We will have to wait to see what Tom and greg think about this and what they can do.At least we are talking about something constructive instead of smack talking.....
Johnny
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Originally posted by GOD Loves You:
I would guess even in some of the satellites coming up, with the so called top notch players, many will quit as their positioning in the standings gets lower and lower. Probably will never be able to fully correct this problem. I wouldn't consider myself a top notch player ... but ... since I do the homework for other teams anyway ... I keep my teams solid even if I am out of the money ... it only takes two minutes.
I also don't try to overtly change the outcome of the event by trying to buy a player in the supplimental just to keep him from someone else. Unless I would have done it because it is a no brainer for my team if I was in the money.
I would guess even in some of the satellites coming up, with the so called top notch players, many will quit as their positioning in the standings gets lower and lower. Probably will never be able to fully correct this problem. I wouldn't consider myself a top notch player ... but ... since I do the homework for other teams anyway ... I keep my teams solid even if I am out of the money ... it only takes two minutes.
I also don't try to overtly change the outcome of the event by trying to buy a player in the supplimental just to keep him from someone else. Unless I would have done it because it is a no brainer for my team if I was in the money.
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Originally posted by Route C:
quote:Originally posted by UFS:
The idea has merit, but a contest like this really can't allow it.
It would take a bit of work, and what ever criteria is used, many will have issues with it. A lose-lose.
Greg really can't get involved with the lineups with a $100k prize. There's just too many scenarios where this could go south in a hurry.
The only solution is to ban someone from future play. John....I would think someone of your intelligence wouldn't be so quick to close the discussion. Seriously, I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ but I think the guys idea deserves more than a 4 or 5 sentence response...then...game over go home. You did say the idea has merit which alot of us agree on. Maybe you can help us find some pros to this and let Greg speak for himself on the cons.
[/QUOTE]Close the discussion? Where did that come from? Glad to see the "other" 9 posts after mine so far. 
There are many pros and cons.
I have a ton of experience with this issue with lifetime leagues that use college draft picks, but my scenario isn't the same as Greg's. Mine is more of guys losing on purpose to get a higher draft pick.
The same problem occurs though, it's not fair to the owners the tanking team has already played. I detest that and am very proactive about eliminating it.
At the same time, the vast majority of the time (95%), a one week thing is due to a family or work emergency. You really can't or shouldn't do anything about just one week. Owners are very quick to jump on the "quitting" excuse before they even think about other reasons, and that's not fair to the owner involved.
There's plenty of issues that come up if a program moves players in and out.
Using highest average could throw out a player that had a good week last week and has a better matchup this week late in the bye season.
Using highest average early in the bye season could throw is a WR scrub that scored 2 TD's last week as an injury replacement and he's back on the bench this week. Can you say Frisman?
That's just two of many I can come up with....
This is why no computer program like this will ever work well, even with a well thought out system. FB player performances, especially WR's, vary greatly from week-to-week.
What does work well is probably what Greg is doing. Look over each situation as unique, research the facts, and then act accordingly.
When I have to adjust a lineup, I use the "weekly" cheatsheets from 3 of the top industry services. Anything close gets broken by whichever player is higher on two of the lists. I like this, because the best lineup would be the one "a reasonable owner would input" for the week.
quote:Originally posted by UFS:
The idea has merit, but a contest like this really can't allow it.
It would take a bit of work, and what ever criteria is used, many will have issues with it. A lose-lose.
Greg really can't get involved with the lineups with a $100k prize. There's just too many scenarios where this could go south in a hurry.
The only solution is to ban someone from future play. John....I would think someone of your intelligence wouldn't be so quick to close the discussion. Seriously, I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ but I think the guys idea deserves more than a 4 or 5 sentence response...then...game over go home. You did say the idea has merit which alot of us agree on. Maybe you can help us find some pros to this and let Greg speak for himself on the cons.
[/QUOTE]Close the discussion? Where did that come from? Glad to see the "other" 9 posts after mine so far. 
There are many pros and cons.
I have a ton of experience with this issue with lifetime leagues that use college draft picks, but my scenario isn't the same as Greg's. Mine is more of guys losing on purpose to get a higher draft pick.
The same problem occurs though, it's not fair to the owners the tanking team has already played. I detest that and am very proactive about eliminating it.
At the same time, the vast majority of the time (95%), a one week thing is due to a family or work emergency. You really can't or shouldn't do anything about just one week. Owners are very quick to jump on the "quitting" excuse before they even think about other reasons, and that's not fair to the owner involved.
There's plenty of issues that come up if a program moves players in and out.
Using highest average could throw out a player that had a good week last week and has a better matchup this week late in the bye season.
Using highest average early in the bye season could throw is a WR scrub that scored 2 TD's last week as an injury replacement and he's back on the bench this week. Can you say Frisman?
That's just two of many I can come up with....
This is why no computer program like this will ever work well, even with a well thought out system. FB player performances, especially WR's, vary greatly from week-to-week.
What does work well is probably what Greg is doing. Look over each situation as unique, research the facts, and then act accordingly.
When I have to adjust a lineup, I use the "weekly" cheatsheets from 3 of the top industry services. Anything close gets broken by whichever player is higher on two of the lists. I like this, because the best lineup would be the one "a reasonable owner would input" for the week.
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